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Duplicate Content Policy - Let Your Voice Be Heard

Hi everyone! I wanted to make one final post before my flight tomorrow as my availability will be hit and miss over the next day or so. I wanted to let everyone know of some additional policy changes that we will most likely be making which I think everyone will actually like. Apparently I was the hold out on this one, but I think everyone has convinced me otherewise. It is the policy on duplicate content.

History

When we originally launched the site, my thinking was in order to ease the transition into the site that we would allow content that you posted elsewhere, so long as it was your content originally. Granted this was difficult to definitively prove but we made our best effort and took a proactive stance on plagiarism. So people would post items, the same item they would post on Bubblews (or other sites) and then just link to it. That was fine with me, as it gave us more content but did not try to be deceptive by linking to the original. I also saw a video from Matt Cutts over at Google who basically said that duplicate isn't bad but you should source the original.

Today

Well, move to today and I am starting to believe with everyone else I don't think that search engines care about that. If 5 different sites have the same content, then the best site gets it. Considering how new we are, we are most likely not at the top of that list yet. If we want to stand out from everyone, we need to have unique content like everyone else. This will make checking for plagiarism much easier, and we don't need to keep track of usernames on different sites, or deleting someone because they forgot to tell us they had a different username on another site and we didn't know and thought they were copying another user's post.

Discussion

So I want to open the discussion to everyone on the site here... I believe that I know what the general consenus will be and like I said before I believe I was the hold out on this one so we may get a lot of "Well its about time" :) Since I won't be available to respond, elitecodex and MaeLou will monitor this thread and respond on our behalf as they were the first ones to say to me that duplicate content was a bad idea.

Past Content

Just a FYI - if we do decide to adopt this policy then that will not apply to anything posted before the date it goes into effect. If you wish to voluntarily fix them for the better of the site, then you have my sincere gratitude.


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Comments

momathome wrote on June 22, 2014, 11:42 PM

I completely agree with elitecodex and MaeLou on this one. I think it would be in the best interest of the site not to allow posting of duplicate content.

If someone wants to "repost" after removing the original from another site I think that would be fine but I believe that if it is still available somewhere else it should not be posted on here. It kind of feels like "double dipping" to me in that your advertisers will be paying for the same content on two different sites and I think that would be an issue even if they say it isn't.

Plus, it will give Persona Paper a higher standing if everything here is original content which in the long run I think will give us more traffic. After all, if its something they can find somewhere else, they are more likely to go to the site with longer standing (that has been around longer). But if we only have original content, this is the ONLY place they will be able to find it and they will come here instead.

BrianaDragon wrote on June 22, 2014, 11:51 PM

I'm all for disallowing duplicate content. Having all unique content would be good for the site. I know that there are a lot of people who want to just repost and make another buck without doing more work, but I believe it would be for the best if it was no longer allowed. I have no problem writing all new content and I think only a few wlil scream loudly to the contrary.

Ravenmount wrote on June 22, 2014, 11:52 PM

I think that duplicate posts make sense on these sorts of sites if they are the sorts of posts that are not too timely to be reposted. If I post something on Bubblews, it has a lifespan of about 1 week or less before new content buries that post and no one ever sees it again. Removing that post would cut out whatever I earned on it while it was active, but posting it again elsewhere after it has run its course on the first site doesn't rob the original post of views because no one there was viewing it any longer anyway. It is not as if any of the posts on Bubblews, or here, or on almost any similar site I've seen actually get a lot of outside traffic anyway, and for the most part posts on Bubblews are being seen by a different set of readers than see posts on here, even with the current overlap of memberships between the two right now. If I were syndicating my articles for publication they would appear in quite a few places, and each appearance would only be seen by a particular, distinct audience, increasing MY readers, but not taking any away from any particular site. Maybe we could have a check-box or credit field to indicate if and where a post is published outside this site, so that the duplicates can be acknowledged as something apart from plagiarized content.

paperdaisyflower7 wrote on June 22, 2014, 11:53 PM

whenever and if ever I make a post I also wrote about on another site I post the link But I don't make the exact post. I usually modify it, add more or lessen the words but mostly I add more and the wordings are not the same, so it is like a different post but the topic has been written in another site and different title. is that ok?

AthenaGoodlight wrote on June 23, 2014, 12:13 AM

I wouldn't mind posting only original and non-duplicate content. If it's for the survival of the site then why not?
In the same light, I'd like to throw in a point of discussion. Wikinut has been allowing duplicate content by the same author and yet the site still survives and can keep paying authors to this date.
Going back to the issue, I vote for non-duplicate content on this site.

Chantiele wrote on June 23, 2014, 3:49 AM

I have no issue with that as the only duplicate content I have on Persona is my poetry, i have a copy-write on it so that no one can steal it.

LadyDuck wrote on June 23, 2014, 4:53 AM

I also agree with and I would not allow to post duplicate content on this site, even sourcing the original. It takes time to check if the original was written by the same author.

edumate wrote on June 23, 2014, 6:02 AM

That would fine if it is unanimously decided. I will wait for the final decision.

SandraLynn wrote on June 23, 2014, 7:24 AM

I have never been a fan of duplicate content, for reasons that I've never been entirely able to articulate properly (still can't, so I won't, here). But I have read the comments and agree with others on the why(s).

That said, many of us have written for a multitude of places and on a multitude of topics. I'm quite sure I've "repeated" myself a time or three in the telling of one thing or another. Not duplicated, exactly. So I'd suggest what others have said here...

If you want to share old stuff:

Remove it from another site
Rework it or revamp it or reword it to UPDATE it and/or make it relevant to this situation here in this time

I don't agree that stuff gets buried never to be seen again. I'm not good at SEO (never cared to delve in and that's my folly) but I do back link pretty well and often - haven't done much of that here yet but I'm not nearly started. Backlinking RELEVANT posts to other posts does help ensure older posts will get read. I haven't been active on several old writing sites (some for years) and I still earn residual income - not a lot, but... I know someone is reading that old stuff.

(to be clear: I backlink to articles/posts within the site I am currently writing for, not multiple sites - no cross backlinking - and I stay relevant within the post :) )

And maybe I wish I'd been better organized back in the beginning or that it was all in one place but cheesits, I'm all OVER the place on these fine intertubes. While I'm sure I repeat myself, I've rarely duplicated - I've got too much "new" stuff to say ;)

See? I wrote that I wasn't able to articulate WHY, very well. I'm just not a fan of duplicating content. Too confusing maybe? Hopefully I've given enough clear reasons to help in the decision making process :)

Cheers!

shadowconn wrote on June 23, 2014, 8:31 AM

Duplicate content has always dinged websites when it comes to search engines. I spend most of my time rewriting webpages for clients with businesses in multiple cities where they had 1 writer write 1 article and they posted the SAME exact content on 15 different sites. then wondered why they got no customers even though the SEO was there. The ONLY thing you can do . . and this still isn't perfect, is post ONE paragraph of your content, change the rest and link back. And really that only helps with the originating site cause they now have a viable LINKBACK to the original work, which puts THAT work higher in the search engine results.

MaeLou wrote on June 23, 2014, 8:32 AM

"Remove it from another site
Rework it or revamp it or reword it to UPDATE it and/or make it relevant to this situation here in this time"

I wish we had a quote feature... anyway, this was my thought process. I think if you want to say the same thing, it MUST be revamped, reworded, etc. It cannot be the exact same and should, mostly, be different.

momathome wrote on June 23, 2014, 8:47 AM

I agree with you completely shadowconn I think you've stated one of the most important reasons very well. After all search engines are not human, they see duplicate content as duplicate content, regardless of what "notations" you put in place.

Anja wrote on June 23, 2014, 8:59 AM

I don't like cross-posting and I think it would just affect PP's credibility. I might post about the same topic on more than one site, but the two articles will not be the same and not even one as a rewrite of the other. So, I am glad you've decided against allowing for duplicate content.

AdrienneJenkins wrote on June 23, 2014, 9:20 AM

RE: "It is not as if any of the posts on Bubblews, or here, or on almost any similar site I've seen actually get a lot of outside traffic anyway," If you keyword optimized and promote your content, it wouldn't have such a short life span. I disagree because I do get residual external views from my content.

AdrienneJenkins wrote on June 23, 2014, 9:24 AM

A) I thoroughly appreciate this idea of highlighting certain posts to raise community awareness of issues and getting all members involved in the process and discussion. Thanks for asking for feedback.

B). Scrub the site clean. Don't worry about grandfathering duplicate content. It's best to scrub re-published content now rather than a year or so down the line when the stakes are higher. Just get rid of it by A) people self-removing and B) users reporting. Don't allow some content to stay. It's too confusing and new writers will always think, geez, I saw that it was allowed on some articles, so it must be OK. Make a clean break.

C) If it's content that has been de-indexed from search engines. I still think it's best people revise and re-work the content just to make it fresh and appealing. And just to be safe.

inertia4 wrote on June 23, 2014, 2:47 PM

Well, I always though as you did I guess that what was the difference of posting the same content from one site to another. But recently I have been rethinking that. And I decided that it is way better to write original content for each individual site. So, since I now write for four different sites similar to this, I now write original content for each one. There is enough to go around. So I will go with only original content. Each site like this needs to have the opportunity to become what it can be. So in that respect I will work each site as if it is the only site I use.

AdrienneJenkins wrote on June 23, 2014, 6:18 PM

I tend to not simply re-write the content but try to take a different approach or write the same topic from a different angle.

Ruby3881 wrote on June 23, 2014, 8:32 PM

I'm with you on this, Adrienne. Writing from a different angle is the best way to go. If we're disciplined about our writing we can learn to narrow our focus, and all of a sudden what we used to make into one post can become the foundation for ten instead, all on a slightly different component of the original topic, or written for differing angles.

Ruby3881 wrote on June 23, 2014, 8:34 PM

Anything you write is copyrighted unless you waive or transfer your rights. I'm not sure what that has to do with this discussion, but it's important that you should know all your content (published or unpublished) is copyrighted, without you having to do anything about it :)

Ruby3881 wrote on June 23, 2014, 8:47 PM

I'm casting my vote here, Heather. I totally agree that any work that has been published elsewhere should EITHER be migrated (it is removed from all other sites before being published here, and a reference to the original site is included to be safe) OR reworked so the content is now different and unique.

I've seen far too many people who go from site to site, posting nothing but old content that they break up into different sized chunks or paste together and slap on a new intro. I think it reflects badly on a writer who does this consistently, and it reflects badly on a site that allows it.

Advertisers want original content, whatever the SEO gurus are saying this week. And people coming to visit a site like Persona Paper will go to the bigger sites if they perceive that a good portion of the content here is just rehashed or copied from other sites. There is enough to worry about, what with people rewriting news, entertainment, and health & beauty content. I'd like to see tighter controls on that, if we could. And maybe a field where people can cite their sources, when they're researching their topic.

I just don't think duplicate content is helpful at this point. It should definitely be banned going forward, and I think it would be great if those who do have older pieces that are copied would take the time to rework them to give the site that original content it needs.

LynLomasi wrote on June 23, 2014, 10:05 PM

I've been posting mostly content I had on another site, with a few new things in between. But no longer publish at that site and the content is no longer published there. I think it should be allowed in situations like that. But the other sit should be referenced just in case there are issues since search engines will likely still have a cached version of the original for a while or sometimes forever.

Honestly, I personally don't have any issues with content being posted on more than one site because I've seen it still be able to do well at more than one. But if it does get restricted, I think it should be like I said above.

The other thing is that many writers will likely leave if everything has to be new here (I won't because I like the community and see the potential here), since the current payment rate is so low. The ones who do this for a living (and even some who don't) know they can easily make more elsewhere. Not the fault of the owner and admins here. But I know that's how many will feel because they'll feel like there's too much effort for very little reward.

LynLomasi wrote on June 23, 2014, 10:06 PM

Sorry for my typos above. ;)

LynLomasi wrote on June 23, 2014, 10:51 PM

I've done some of that as well. Of course, I guess if they change it, we can just write here first and then go over to the blog, unless they make the content exclusive to here. I can't see many people participating if so though because there isn't yet enough incentive ti give away exclusive rights.

LynLomasi wrote on June 23, 2014, 10:53 PM

Sorry for typos, &anrisa_ryn LOL

lrdl3535 wrote on June 23, 2014, 11:40 PM

It doesn't really matter what I or anyone else thinks. It is going to be decided anyway by who owns or runs the site. But my opinion is that good posts take a long time to write. There are other writing sites that pay more money out there for quality work. I'm not just talking about Bubblews, but sites that pay for articles. So if a site wants good quality writers they will have to pay more. Otherwise most of the posts are going to be just like Bubblews. They just won't be noticed by any of the search engines anyway. According to Ashley the duplicate posts all show up one under another. At least this site would get some outside visibility from good long articles written elsewhere. Otherwise it is going to stay just a site for those who refer others to it. It may or may not ever find that little niche that will make it visible to the world wide web and its search engines.

ella-romao wrote on June 24, 2014, 3:30 AM

On my own opinion, I will say that it is much better to post a non-duplicate article, its for the safety of the sites as well as for the plagiarism issues as well. In my way of thinking, everybody can create a personal or informative article without using the posted one on the other sites. You see, we cannot maintain our uniqueness and integrity or otherwise the other site/party will going to use that as an offense to us. We need to be careful, and no duplication is one of the best policy I've read here in Persona. Good day everyone. emoticon :smile:

bestwriter wrote on June 25, 2014, 2:21 AM

Many members here have migrated from another site and for them it will be boring to read those posts that they have alreoady come across. I am in favour of original contribution. This will also give an opportunity for writers to be creative.

LoudMan wrote on June 26, 2014, 7:21 AM

Same here. I'm still getting traffic on posts from well over a year ago there. And my SEO seoucks. :)

LoudMan wrote on June 26, 2014, 7:32 AM

It's not unreasonable to want original content for this site. And it would be unreasonable to let it be destroyed by the lazy. :D

k_mccormick2 wrote on June 30, 2014, 1:05 PM

I love love love this idea. I think that it makes people have to think about what they are going to write rather than just using what they posted on another site. I think that this is going to make this site unique and very user friendly. I can't wait to start posting my thoughts on here :)

gidget wrote on July 6, 2014, 4:07 PM

This is probably a good policy, but bummed that I can't transfer my bubblews articles here.

jelena wrote on July 11, 2014, 3:09 AM

I am fine with this policy, as I love to give opinions, write tutorials and I love applications - I can write till I drop and without any danger to copy anything.

WritingLover wrote on July 11, 2014, 9:41 AM

I'm not going to lie I would post most of my Bubblews content here if I could, However not being able to doesn't bother me as I have lots to write about.

madhavan_as wrote on August 25, 2014, 10:42 AM

How to have control on these repost and all is going to be tricky.

AliCanary wrote on September 29, 2014, 5:32 PM

I do give credence to the thinking that the "best" site (by some definition) gets the view, as articles that I had posted on both Bubblews and Yahoo got very different views. Yahoo won hands down on the SEO stuff (although Bubblews BY FAR kille dit on the chatty, bloggy pieces, because of the high internal membership). I would use that as some sort of rule of thumb, although I do plan to publish both kinds of writing here.

suffolkjason wrote on September 29, 2014, 6:51 PM

I detest plagiarism- so i fully support any move to drive out duplicate content.

oldies909 wrote on September 29, 2014, 8:22 PM

Original content is good but content you wrote from other sites is good to.

somedsatisfied wrote on October 18, 2014, 4:57 PM

Duplicate content will be the death of any new site. Glad you realized this.

Cherokee wrote on October 18, 2014, 7:15 PM

I totally agree, new content is always better for a site.

WangariPatrick wrote on November 4, 2014, 4:52 PM

Duplicate content is plagiarizing from my understanding and i thinks its time we stop it

Nar2Reviews wrote on January 1, 2015, 9:33 AM

Very helpful to know! I did read the FAQs and felt a little down that I can't cross post some of my well viewed posts from another review site. But I do miss daily blogging, so that's fine with me.

arthurchappell wrote on January 3, 2015, 8:08 AM

I am happier writing exclusive unique content for blogs I am on so as not to effectively compete with myself

rjsezack wrote on January 7, 2015, 6:08 PM

I feel it is a good idea not to allow it. If you are going to write, write new stuff. That is what writers do, they write.

AsADrivenLeaf wrote on January 28, 2015, 4:48 PM

I like challenges. So, fresh, relevant original content is moe interesting to and exciting to write and be read. But thanks for taking interest in others' opinion. That's what makes a social network site good.

valmnz wrote on January 31, 2015, 8:35 PM

I tend to write different content for each of the sites I write for, different styles even, so I think opting for original is best.

Coffee wrote on February 24, 2015, 3:44 AM

I have never posted the same article on two different sites so I am all for unique content.