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Exchange Rate Notice

Hi everyone! Regretfully I have some bad news I need to pass along. As of late last week, Google AdSense has closed my account for this site. I have been frantically applying to other ad networks but they all have denied me, despite being able to meet their traffic requirements. A few have accepted me, but do not pay anywhere near what is required even to run the site.

What happened?

I think that we got too big too fast. We are a brand new website, that has only been around for two months. In a matter of a few days, we got from around 1,000 hits per day to 50,000 per day from all around the world. Granted they could look at the members list and see a massive join during that timeframe, but I doubt they will put that much effort into it.

The bad part is that Bubblews which works on a very similar manner is allowed to use Google AdSense. I have been applying to many different ad networks, and while a few have accepted us they do not pay anywhere near what AdSense paid. They don't even pay enough to cover server costs.

So to date, all the money that has been paid out has been out of my own pocket. I knew I wasn't doing anything wrong, so I didn't think I would run into this issue. Apparently I was wrong... so I am forced to drop the exchange rate for the site until we can get the Google AdSense issue situated. It could take a week, or more and you never know. Google is horrible with its communication.

So that is one very large factor as to why updates to the site has stopped, and responses to inquiries have been slow. I have been applying and trying to find a replacement for the ad revenue which we no longer have.

I do apologize about this, and I understand it will upset some people but rest assured I will do what I can to save the site. I started this site on openness and transparency so that is what I am doing. I am opening the door to allow you see what is going on. I hope those who support my cause will stick around and we can turn this into the community we all want it to be.

I thank everyone for their support so far, and I hope to still see everyone in the future!


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AngelSharum wrote on June 14, 2014, 12:44 PM

It does seem weird that they allow Bubblews and not your site when they are similar setups. I hope you figure something out soon because I love that your site runs so much smoother.

MakingCents wrote on June 14, 2014, 12:48 PM

Good Luck. Google almost never overturns bans. I honestly can't see it happening for you but I hope you get it worked out!

momathome wrote on June 14, 2014, 12:49 PM

Well, I'm not going anywhere, lol -- so you are stuck with me.

I hope that it won't take long before everything gets worked out, I can just imagine how frustrated you are at this moment.

We all knew that you were starting this from scratch, with no backing and that is not an easy task. I wish I could help more but I know nothing about servers nor about acquiring ad revenue for websites. I do have one question though, have you considered contacting Amazon directly about advertisements, I know that some people earn money through Amazon ads on their websites.

Another possibility is one that LoudMan wrote about this morning. He was wondering if you would consider the possibility of exchanging the writing earnings for advertising on the site. I know that this would not bring in additional revenue but this would help keep funds in your pocket, which might help at least a little.

megamatt09 wrote on June 14, 2014, 12:51 PM

Best of luck dealing with Google. They can be.....well they can be an adventure to deal with, let's just put it that way. Was wondering what happened, thanks for the update.

Gina145 wrote on June 14, 2014, 12:52 PM

Thanks for keeping us informed. I hope the AdSense problem can be solved.

momluvz2knit wrote on June 14, 2014, 12:59 PM

Chin up! I hope the situation will clear up quickly. I certainly would have been willing to exchange my balance for advertising. momathome has a good suggestion. That is what my (now cut) earnings were going to go for, advertising my shops.

JanetHunt wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:05 PM

Ashley Thanks for the update! I know you are doing what you can!

momathome wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:10 PM

ashley actually did that the other day so right now it is closed to new sign ups, which will definitely help during this time.

rusty2rusty wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:13 PM

Thank you for being frank and letting all of us know what is going on. I just started this site. I like how it is set up and being handled. I will stick around to see where it goes. I think this site has a lot of potential.

edumate wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:16 PM

I just hope all things work well and you sort it out. Sending prayers and good luck!

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:17 PM

That was my thinking... it is almost the exact same model so I don't see the issue. The only reason I can fathom is the severe increase in traffic in a two day period.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:18 PM

Yes I have read that on the web as well... even though I keep a close eye on traffic and being as honest and as straightforward as possible... I still get screwed. Gotta love the world we live in.

BNelson wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:19 PM

Well that sucks, particularly since it affected coins earned before today.

I know WebAnswers has been banned at least 3 times by Google but they ALWAYS got the problem fixed and back on track - It was a simple matter of removing offensive (often sexual) content.

silentwhisper wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:20 PM

I was wondering why my earnings suddenly went down. I hope something can be figured out. I am new here, but have really enjoyed the site. Thank you for being open and honest with us.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:24 PM

LOL thank you for the support :)

Yes, it has been very stressful since last Thursday especially when everything was going to so well. I had plans, could see the exchange rate increasing, upgrading servers, I was ready to go all out. A single email stopped all that in its tracks....

Amazon has an affiliate program but I think that would only help if people purchased something from the ads. I will look into any avenue at this point.

Not sure but I will have to check into his post... not sure what he has in mind :)

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:25 PM

No problem, thank you for being such a great member. I hope we can recover from this and move forward as I had originally planned.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:25 PM

Thank you for the support and I also hope for the same. As I said from day 1 I will be as open and transparent about what is going on. Even to my own detriment at times.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:27 PM

Thank you for the suggestion. I have tried them I believe, along with AOL Advertising, ValueClick, Technorati Media, etc... the list goes on. So far all of them have been denied for reason I am not sure of because they don't tell me.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:29 PM

Yep those were close a while back... not because of the same reason though. I had to close them because the server couldn't handle anymore... although the money we were getting from AdSense could have paid for the upgrade easily the monkey wrench was thrown when the canceled the account and took the money. Its been a bumpy ride since....

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:31 PM

I'll have to read more about that... not quite sure I understand what the suggestion is. You mean advertise on this site in exchange for your coins? I'll have to read that post by loudman to figure out what that's all about.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:31 PM

I am certainly trying, thank you for the support.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:33 PM

Thank you for the support - as soon as I hear something I will post an update and hopefully increase the exchange rate soon.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:33 PM

Thank you very much - every little bit helps :)

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:35 PM

I wish it was that easy - I would be more than willing to remove any content they tell me too but regretfully I have not heard back any reasons. The email they sent even said they can't give me specifics. So I guess I will just wait to hear what they say.

Sorry about the drop in value, like I said this has all been coming out of my pocket and technically, we have had no ad revenue to date... what little I had was taken away by Google. If I can get the AdSense stuff taken care of then I will increase the exchange rate forwhatever coins you have before, and earn between now and then. Again, I am sorry.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:36 PM

Yep I am sorry about that... the sooner I can get this worked out the better. I plan on keeping everyone informed with what is going on.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:37 PM

Thank you MisterAdy - I certainly hope it will grow as well. Only time will tell but I will keep everyone posted.

FergusM1970 wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:41 PM

Oh dear, not so good. I hope you can find a solution, and in the meantime I'll stay active.

LoudMan wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:43 PM

There are options. I'll send you some options. emoticon :smile:

LoudMan wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:43 PM

This can still work. Trust me? :D

momathome wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:51 PM

momluvz2knit also posted about some ad revenue possibilities that she uses on her sites, I don't know if you have tried those yet or not but I just thought I'd let you know.

As for the Amazon, you just hit one of my favorite stores, lol. I know that I would probably be more likely to click through the ads on here to purchase from them (knowing that it would benefit you and the site) than I would go through anything to do with google because I'm not a fan of google at all. But of course I don't know how any of that works or how feasible it is, it's just the only one I had heard about before.

wampamba wrote on June 14, 2014, 1:59 PM

It is sad news not only for you but for all members here especially that we love this website. But let no one convince that google can't over turn the burns. They do because they're human. I have seen websites penalties over turned.

If you're in the USA, I think a phone call to them could work. What do you think?
I will also talk to one of my friends who has been earning from Adsense for over a year now and I will get back if something cooking comes up.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:03 PM

Thank you very much. I hope that many will follow that mentality.

kcmaice wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:04 PM

Thank you for your honesty. One thing I can't stand are people who "beat around the bush", so you have gained some of my respect.. As far as the change in rates, I can see that you are ambitious and that you will do your best to figure something out and if you can't you will let us know. For those reasons I will stay as long as Persona Paper is running, no matter the rates :)

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:04 PM

Im open to any and all suggestions so send them along emoticon :smile:

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:05 PM

That question mark makes me trust you LOL ;)

tshively wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:07 PM

I am sorry it's not going as planned, but I am not going anywhere I love this site even though it just started and will be here for the long road. It may take time to get everything together but I know when it all falls in place this is going to be an amazing site.

MakingCents wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:07 PM

Yep, it's why I hate google and the power they hold over people. My adsense has long been banned because some ELSE put my blog into a traffic exchange. Ridiculous really.

Optimuskck wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:09 PM

Ashley may be restart the registration will go on your favor since it will draw different people from different countries which will stop the same people circling with advertisements. .Some times calling them will also fix the issue.. Apart from that you can Chitika , Adversal , Clicksor as alternatives to Adsense .

We are with you ashley

LynLomasi wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:12 PM

I reccomend trying infolinks.com while you sort it out. I use them for.my network of sites and do better than adsense.

nich wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:16 PM

Well there are fewer smaller site that you can consider looking at,
1) Infolinks
2) Bidvertiser
3) Chitika
4) AdHits

I had read through all the comments below, and from them I came to know that you have tried almost all the bigger ad networks, so the remaining would be the above mentioned 4 ad networks.

I came to know about these sites when I had been researching for my own blog..

Hope that now they can be of use to you.

justin03 wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:16 PM

don't worry, we will stay and support you! My brother has many connection around the internet, i will ask him about advertisement and what she can help. :]

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 2:36 PM

We've applied to them and are waiting to hear back. Since it is the weekend, I doubt I will hear anything back before Monday.

Ruby3881 wrote on June 14, 2014, 3:28 PM

I hope this is the reason they closed your account, because if it is they are sure to see that you're taking positive steps to make this a legitimate writing platform with natural traffic patterns. It just may take a while before they can verify that, given the huge migration from Bubblews.

I think we all need to take a deep breath and keep plugging away at things. You did the right thing when you capped the membership, Ashley. I believe it will pay off in the long run, even if it feels like we're getting short-changed now.

lunarfox22 wrote on June 14, 2014, 3:29 PM

Your site is wonderful and the people (apart from the few plagiarists) are all super friendly. I hope things get sorted. I wish you all the luck. Pretty sure you have all of our backing.

SandraLynn wrote on June 14, 2014, 3:37 PM

Responding before reading others - stay on this. You've done nothing wrong and the site potential is there!

I'm sticking around until you tell me to go home for good.

Google. OMG. It's rare they reverse but that's individual. This is a site and this is huge. Do what it takes, whatever that is.

What do you need from us?

Professional testimonies?

Letters of intent?

Proof of original content?

Thank you for keeping us aware, now please let us know what we can do to help!

I'm in. I'm sure others feel the same. Going to read comments now.

LynLomasi wrote on June 14, 2014, 3:37 PM

Great! If they approved my smaller sites, I have hope that this site will have a greater chance of acceptance.

BrianaDragon wrote on June 14, 2014, 4:06 PM

ashley I mentioned it before in another post but I'm not sure if you saw it. Have you considered crowdsourcing to keep the site afloat? You could start something on GoFundMe or Kickstarter. You'd need a clear mission statement and a plan for the future, but you might be able to get some support and backing to keep the site going.

I agree with others that while you look for some other form of advertising or income for the site you should try to communicate with Google. It's a long shot I know, but you might be able to work something out. If that other site can stay alive with their masses of spam and scammers I can't see this being a legitimate ban on PP.

Ketchingup wrote on June 14, 2014, 4:09 PM

Well that is an oh $%^& . The Google monster strikes again and I was just getting warmed up. I'll be checking in every now and then to see how you've made out. I hope Google made a mistake not realizing that it was our outstanding writing emoticon :smile: that was bringing in all the hits and not a bot. Fingers crossed. Good Luck, If I can help let me know.

GrannyGee wrote on June 14, 2014, 4:20 PM

I didn't know what had happened. I am happy to find your post on this. I love your writing site... all about it is just what I love... not only that... it's attractive. I love the way photos post, and such. I'm not going away either.... I like it here. I admire you for communicating with everyone... I can sense everyone likes that about you. I think you have a lot of new friends, including me. So, I'm honored to be one of the first people on your new site. I feel somehow, someway... you will come out on top. Gloria/Granny Gee

Paula76 wrote on June 14, 2014, 4:20 PM

I will not go any where., Thank you for being honest. Glad I am not sitting here wondering whats going on

africanpen wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:02 PM

This kind of things always happen in business especially if the old guys see that there is a new treat. Whether the rate drops or not, we are with you through this. I am sticking with persona and staying for good. We shall overcome

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:30 PM

I would love to talk with someone, a real human at Google to explain what happened and provide my log files. Regretfully I don't think I will get that option... I am probably a flea compared to the rest of their customers and I don't think they will spend a whole lot of time on me (even though we have the potential to become much bigger).

I am still holding out hope, but I don't have high confidence at the moment.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:32 PM

That was my intention... I want to prove that you can build a successful community that pays its users by being open and honest. A rare trait for anyone in business it seems :) If only I believed in karma then I wouldn't worry about it... because I know it would work out in the end. Still hoping :)

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:32 PM

I do thank you for the support and I have the same hopes... I have so many plans and ideas on how to make this a better community. Just one step away from really taking off.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:34 PM

Thank you for the support - it means alot. I considered that but the server is already at capacity and while I do have a lot of support ( which I am ever so grateful for ) if I open up registration that will just put more of a strain on the server. I will watch it over the next week to see how the traffic patterns change. I expect a drop in traffic, but how much is anyones guess.

Thank you for the suggestions - we are looking into all avenues at this point... whoever can fill our needs first wins :)

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:37 PM

I will certainly look into them... the problem is that I fear they may have the same issue as all the ones I have tried in the past. They just don't generate the ad revenue needed for what we are doing here. Currently, the ad partner I am with now doesn't even give me enough to cover server costs.

But I plan on going through all the suggestions here and checking each one out... these 4 included so thank you for the input.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:38 PM

Thank you for the support - it means alot. Any and all information you can give me would be great... I am extremely grateful.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:40 PM

Thank you Anteke - I find that a lot of people do not write here for the money which is awesome... which is why whenever I need to put in a description for my site it is always along the lines of a "social network" or "online community" with "of writers who enjoy writing and sharing ideas". The money is just a bonus in my eyes... and a lot of others eyes as well it seems.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:42 PM

Thank you for the support too? :D

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:51 PM

That's true... and I had considered something to address that. If that is indeed the issue ( and Google actually tells me that ) then no problem, I will make the decision to cut what is needed. I had two ideas of

1) Incorporating an "proper english" feedback mechanism (ie: 1-5 star rating) into the posts where if people ran across a post that did not have something that would be at a certain standard for an everyday english reader/writer then if someone is unable to maintain a certain level, we would take the next step (whatever that may be).

2) Have a small writing test as a part of joining the site. ie: Put a random image up, and have the person write a few sentences describing it and based on the quality of that submission, grant access or not.

Maybe something to bring up later.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:53 PM

Thank you lunarfox - the support really helps. If we can even maintain half of our existing traffic, then I am happy with that until we recover.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 5:58 PM

Thank you - I have the same thought process. Nothing wrong was done so I certainly hope they find that out on their own eventually. And I do thank you for the support.

If I do hear a response from Google, I have no problem fixing the whatever the issue is with my site... if its content or a specific user then for the good of the site, I will do what I must. I don't think they will ask me for much more information though... I wish I had some method of presenting my case. Alas Google does not do that... so I just have to hope.

AliCanary wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:20 PM

I know AdSense is a really big fish, but hopefully you'll get some other things going while you are trying to get back in their good graces. It heartens me to see that there are still ads on the page, which is a funny thing to find myself saying! I understand about the expenses and that the exchange rate had to take a hit. I'm a buy-and-hold kind of girl, anyway, so I'm willing to ride it out. Just the fact that you are keeping in communication with us, about tribulations as well as triumphs, makes this site SO much better than the others!

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:27 PM

Hi there BrianaDragon ( I should use tags more often... you think I would considering I created them )

Yep, I did see that... I initially had concerns because I didn't want to base the exchange rate on anything to do with crowdsourcing. Then that would basically be the users paying themselves and I don't think that model would work well. However, putting more thought into it I do think it would be a good idea to run something to cover the server costs, and I think that is something I will be looking into. Patreon, KickStarter, IndieGoGo, GoFundMe are all options... so I will be looking into that. It will at least help as I can't change the cost of the server.

I don't think it is and I would love to talk to Google... regretfully there isn't anything else I can do outside of filling out that form which I already did. I would love to actually speak to someone to explain exactly why I went from 1,000 to 50,000+ page views a day in a matter of two to three days. It definitely isn't a legitimate ban... I hope Google sees that at some point.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:28 PM

LOL That is close to what I said when I saw the email.. except replace "oh" with "what the". Yeah, I had all these plans that were just halted on that day. I hope to resume those soon.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:29 PM

I certainly hope you are right - thank you very much for the support.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:30 PM

That is and always will be my goal... complete transparency. The idea was that the users will appreciate that, no matter what happens. It seems this has proved my case.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:31 PM

I hope so... the only thing I can think of is maybe they had nice slow, linear growth. The growth we had here was exponential easily... and imagine if I hadn't limited the membership? We would have at least another 100 users here. All things that prove my case that I will never get to show Google on my behalf.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:32 PM

I hope so too - thank you for the support.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:33 PM

Thank you for the support - I hope we overcome as well.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:35 PM

Thank you - I am looking very actively and trying any ad network that can meet our goals. Even if it isn't what AdSense was paying if it can get us somewhere, its something. I will keep looking.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:36 PM

Thank you - I certainly hope it will also. I was hoping it would not have taken so long so I didn't have to drop the exchange rate but I suppose a behemoth can only move so fast.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:38 PM

I have read accounts like that as well... competitors do that sometimes to get you in trouble. I don't THINK that happened here... like I said, I keep a scrolling log constantly going of all the traffic so I can spot suspicious hits and take action. Even have filters on traffic that they have to pass in order to be valid... so I think it just has to be with the large traffic increase. I hope they see it also.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:39 PM

I was just speaking to MaeLou about that and I think that may be something I investigate later on tonight. Doesn't make a whole lot but a good way to support the site if you are ordering from Amazon anyway :)

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:41 PM

Can't hurt to look into... may give some interesting reading if nothing else. Thanks!

allen0187 wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:45 PM

Thanks for the update. Hope this works out for you eventually.

What does not kill makes us stronger. The site certainly ain't dead looking at all the comments and support. We'll come out stronger than before after this.

Platespinner wrote on June 14, 2014, 6:53 PM

Your honesty is appreciated. Hopefully you will be able to get the issues worked out, either way I am grateful for the effort you have put into setting this site up and have no intention of jumping ship!

fortunelister wrote on June 14, 2014, 7:54 PM

http://www.monetize.com/opportunities.php
http://www.geoads.com/publishers.aspx
Try this two

NicoleL5822 wrote on June 14, 2014, 8:02 PM

Small steps. I don't know much about that ad stuff at all. It all seems too complicated for me. I do hope you get it straightened out and I'll still be around here while the site is building. Thanks for being so honest about things.

DarkSinistar wrote on June 14, 2014, 8:39 PM

I saw where BNelson mentioned WebAnswers and that was something that occurred to me as well. They have had problems with AdSense before and worked through it. Have you considered reaching out to them to see if they might be able to give you any tips on dealing with Google? They have always seemed pretty friendly (at least to their members)?

xostaystrong wrote on June 14, 2014, 8:53 PM

Aww, that really sucks. I hope you get it fixed. :(

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 8:56 PM

That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger right? I certainly hope so... one way or another.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 8:57 PM

Me too and I am sorry about that... I tried to hold off as long as I could. Finances were getting strained though so something had to give... regretfully the exchange rate is the one that took the damage this time. I'll keep everyone posted though.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 8:58 PM

Thank you Platespinner - I do appreciate the support and even if this magical July update does re-invigorate that other site I hope to keep a handful of people on board until the advertising issue is worked out. Have a good weekend!

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 8:58 PM

I will certainly check them out - thank you for recommendations fortunelister

rsmikulin wrote on June 14, 2014, 8:58 PM

Thank you for keeping us updated! I'm on here and on Bubblews, and I think this site has a LOT better setup. Crossing fingers the various ad networks see that too :). Google blocked ads on one of my sites, and even though it was MUCH smaller than this one, it still took five different attempts at contacting them before I actually got a useful answer on what I could change. I've liked my introduction here so far, and will keep writing in full confidence that the ad networks will see the value sooner or later.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 9:03 PM

Your welcome and I do thank you for the support. I hope to get things picked backed up soon and go back to our rapid growth and focus on development.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 9:06 PM

I have applied to them Haider, still waiting to hear back. So I still have a little bit of hope... they do have a calculator on there and based on the traffic I was getting it would be sufficient. Not AdSense numbers but still enough to go back to a half penny, keep up with payouts and upgrade the server. Of course I will need to see what the daily traffic is during the course of a week... it is usually slower on the weekends anyway.

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 9:07 PM

Yes we are, a good metaphor... let's hope for some calm seas after the storm passes :)

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 9:12 PM

I hadn't considered it but I can certainly look on their site and see if they would be willing to help. Not sure how they would view a fellow, unknown webmaster but the worst they can say is no right?

ashley wrote on June 14, 2014, 9:14 PM

Thank you very much - I hope so as well.

UmiNoor wrote on June 14, 2014, 9:24 PM

I wasn't online to read this post and just logged in this morning to discover that my bank had taken a nose dive. I was really surprised and then I found out that the value of the coins had also reduced.

I don't think I want the money if it's coming out of your own pocket. That is unfair to you. I'm really sorry that you're having problem with Google. I hope it get sorted out with Google or you can always opt for another ad network. No matter what, I will not be going anywhere. I love it here and I will continue to support this site. Til death do us part!

simplyoj wrote on June 14, 2014, 9:57 PM

If Google might think this is like Bubblews, the sudden jump of Bubblews articles here might be one of the reasons. Moderating all the published articles can be done immediately to keep the site in shape. But we all know Google has own reasons in banning accounts. Thanks for the transparency and hope this site will be saved

tech40 wrote on June 14, 2014, 10:05 PM

Bubblews strategy is, First they use different advertisement, then secondly after reaching few months "I guess it was 6 months" they joined to adsense and got accepted, thirdly, they shuffle the ads "Other network ads, and Adsense ads" if you're going to check bubblews there are times that their ads isn't from "Adchoice"

Juandicv wrote on June 14, 2014, 10:06 PM

jesus that sucks .. honestly i dont understand those companies.. its like if you get too big they will target you .. wtf .. even if by you getting big they get benefited .. wtf srsly ... there must be a way to recover.. but whatever .. im sticking to this until it closes if it comes to that.

tech40 wrote on June 14, 2014, 10:09 PM

Don't hate google :P I'm also working with them this moment with my youtube account haha :P

LoftyDreams wrote on June 14, 2014, 10:24 PM

I saw my earnings go down and I thought I did something wrong. Well, glad that it wasn't me, but it's a pain that google does the things it does. I hope you get this resolved so you don't have to sacrifice too much for keeping the site moving forward. Good luck!

tech40 wrote on June 14, 2014, 10:35 PM

by the way I'm going to answer your question emoticon :tongue: Adsense is very strict when specially if it is about "Traffic" as what ashley stated, the traffic goes faster and faster, it means that google is going to think that "Hey this website seems using something fishy, I should turn his or her ads to give security for our advertisements."

Ashley needs to contact google adsense to told them what time of website ashely have, and show them the Traffic sources of views, on that way google will check ashley website and going to enable it if ashley provide that the traffic is from legit views, sometimes it takes 3 days until they re enable it again when they think that the traffic are safe.

BrianaDragon wrote on June 14, 2014, 10:36 PM

I wouldn't have a problem with some quality control as long as people can still talk about whatever they want. The downside of this would be that even a lot of the US citizens on this site would get flagged for poor content. I've seen a sad number of Americans who can hardly write a coherent sentence here.

rhoyea19 wrote on June 14, 2014, 10:43 PM

It is so nice of you to keep us informed. I love this site and do not plan to go anywhere. I wish I knew more about this stuff, but I do not. I wish you and all of us much success. I think with anything new, we have to be patient and allow the good things to happen. The problem with the other site is that we are always in the dark. Best wishes to you!

AngelSharum wrote on June 14, 2014, 11:30 PM

You may be on to something here. I wonder if Google didn't like that people are reposting old Bubblews articles here. Maybe they think that isn't right or something.

grey-love wrote on June 15, 2014, 1:20 AM

Yikes. I was off to your page to ask about the drop in my earnings. Then I read this. It's understandable because of our current situation. I hope google adsense will support us in the near future. What's the current exchange rate now?

LadyDuck wrote on June 15, 2014, 5:37 AM

I cannot understand the Google attitude, I think that the massive increase in traffic on a short term of time caused the problem. What do you think to lower the number of articles allowed every day?
I appreciate your sincerity and I will continue to write on your site, I am sure that it's only a temporary problem.

jjeeppeerrxx wrote on June 15, 2014, 7:33 AM

I want to ask about the earnings before? Will you pay us for that amount? Because I was almost on my 5$ earnings but now became .73$ that was a big difference.

Please explain.

Thanks

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 9:46 AM

That's true and maybe something to consider going down the road... maybe only showing adsense on a portion of the articles here instead of every single article. Maybe that was the issue... something I didn't think would be an issue to be honest because I am still a fraction of the size of others who gets millions of hits a day. If that is indeed the reason, and they give me a chance to fix it then its done. Still waiting to hear something back though.

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 9:49 AM

I can see that argument and one that is aligned with my line of thinking. But from Google's perspective I can also understand who we could have tripped a filter considering the age of the site and the popularity it got in such a short amount of time. I certainly hope they see that there is no ill intent here.

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 9:50 AM

Thanks you - I certainly hope for the same... if only Google had a way we could reach out to them. They make finding things on the web easy, you would think they would have a way to contact someone at AdSense.

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 9:59 AM

Thank you very much rhoyea19 - I certainly hope to return it to its former glory at some point :)

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 10:01 AM

You can always find the current exchange rate at the top of the page, currently $0.001 which is basically a tenth of a cent. It was a half penny, hence the sudden drop in earnings. Again I do apologize and hope to return it back to the former exchange rate soon.

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 10:04 AM

No, I don't think it would help to be honest. There were few people actually reaching that limit, its all the views/likes/comments that do it. It makes the users hit the pages constantly. I have considered changing some of how that works but not sure what to do... if that is indeed the issue. Again, I am just grasping at straws until I get any sort of response from Google. We keep being denied at other places... infolinks just denied us this morning.

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 10:49 AM

Regretfully I can't... No matter when this decision came down it was going to upset a lot of people, specifically those that were close to the $5.00 minimum. I can understand your frustration, as I would be frustrated too in that same situation. But like I said before, technically this site has received $0 in advertising revenue... everything from the server costs to the current payouts have been out of my pocket. I took this on with no funding as I have said before, so I don't have the funds needed to cover what was going out the door.

This would not have been a problem because the numbers with AdSense were lining up to match what was going out and then some... at the rate we were at I was ready to upgrade the server and even run a few "double coin" promotions because we would have had the extra money. Google stopped all that in its tracks. Now we are waiting on them to move forward.

Again, I am sorry and can understand your frustration..

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 10:54 AM

Just to add to that a little bit more... I understand that there was a big drop, everyone took a huge hit on their current amount. However, the good thing about the system I setup is it is flexible and can change. So you keep the coins you have now, only worth $0.73... lets say you get some more coins worth $2.00 at the current rate (2000 coins). If AdSense comes around, I can raise the exchange rate and all of a sudden you have $10,00.

Dropping the exchange rate is frustrating because you lose money... but raising it is a good day since all those coins that were previously only worth a tenth of a cent are now worth a half cent (or even a full cent) and you get more money from that.

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 10:55 AM

That's fine and I completely understand. Just keep in mind to stay at least a little active... I have a feeling with this announcement a number of members will just cease to login and we will need to come up with an account expiration policy (ie: no logins, no posts after X days, your account is deleted). Once a week would be fine though, thank you :)

chatombreux wrote on June 15, 2014, 10:55 AM

That sucks! Did they even give a reason? They shouldn't close an account without an explanation. That's bad form.

sheilagamo wrote on June 15, 2014, 12:34 PM

I will stick around for sure. I like your honesty.

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 2:10 PM

Nope, no reason at all. Just that detected "invalid activity" which I am taking to mean "too much traffic too quickly". Regretfully the communication sucks because they are so big that I can't even talk to someone about my account. If I could just explain the situation this wouldn't have had to happen.

ashley wrote on June 15, 2014, 2:11 PM

Thank you for the support. I hope site can return to its former glory soon.

Bensen32 wrote on June 15, 2014, 4:58 PM

So this explains why on Saturday I was over $5 and now I am at like $1 something?

rmgjunkie wrote on June 15, 2014, 10:43 PM

If I recall correctly, Bubblews was not using Google Adsense for a long time since it's operation. They are using different ad networks and just a few months ago that they use or got approved using Adsense. I even posted an article about that around May on their site. So that means, they are not on Google Adsense before since they have been operating for more than a year now.

I am not sure about the history if they where using Adsense before then got disabled and reinstated recently but if your argument is the time frame that PersonaPaper got huge traffic for a span of two months then that might have been the trigger for being disabled by Google.

rmgjunkie wrote on June 15, 2014, 10:56 PM

When I used Google Adsense before, I was able to get my first cheque of over $100 dollar then after a week they closed my account. It was a shock and I tried to appeal for reinstatement but was also denied after waiting for a month. But at least I get paid last time

simplyoj wrote on June 16, 2014, 7:44 AM

Why does other advertisers also keep on denying this site if this is legitimate. Google may be wrong about its reasons on banning your account.

poddys wrote on June 17, 2014, 8:56 AM

My sites have much lower traffic than PP and Google keep my Adsense account open. I wonder if they thought this was going to be a spammy site, but if they take a look I am sure they will see that every attempt is being made to ensure that it isn't.

Unfortunately Google are hard to deal with. Hopefully you have raised a case with them and when they get around to taking a look I hope they change their mind. It happened to me a year ago and took almost 2 weeks for them to re-activate Adsense on one of my sites, once they saw that the problem was fixed.

Good Luck on behalf of all of us.

There are other options for advertising, including affiliate links (such as Amazon etc), but the best earnings do come from Adsense.

Laura-n-Sasha wrote on June 17, 2014, 3:23 PM

ashley reapply with a slightly different email or name. I did that a long time ago when I had my website and was banned (I made the mistake of clicking on my own ads - never ever do that again! )

I do not know who hosts the site, but I would set up an alternative email address that is forwarded to your regular email address. This will allow you to reapply for Google Adsense. It does not matter if the site is the same. YOU WANT TO HAVE Google. The other avenues totally blow.
Here is a link for some other methods: http://bakoom.org/articoli-vari/35-articoli-vari/1073-how-to-earn-money-with-your-website-or-blog

Also I would suggest checking out Yahoo, they might have a way to get Yahoo's method of advertising, I think it is now called publishers. They had it once, but I am not sure what it is now.

devonavis wrote on June 19, 2014, 10:25 PM

I'm staying still... 'cause I know everything is gonna work out!

MakingCents wrote on June 19, 2014, 10:54 PM

I thought if you put your adsense account on a banned site that the new account would then be banned...

astraldreamer wrote on July 10, 2014, 4:02 PM

i like this site, can you please put up a donation button somewhere on here, id like to donate a little from time to time and im sure there will be others who want to help this site suceed.

FreyaYuki wrote on July 24, 2014, 10:28 AM

Sorry to hear about this. What was the exact reason that Google AdSense gave for closing your account? If the site didn't do anything wrong, then why should they be punished for this? How is that fair and how is it their fault that the 'site got too big too fast'? How come the other ad networks have denied you if you were able to meet all of their requirements? Did they give a reason?

FourWalls wrote on August 3, 2014, 9:23 PM

Google's AdSense is a lawsuit begging to be filed. Even their own administrators of their AdSense forum says that appeals don't work -- so, in essence, their so-called "appeal process" is not fair. In all honesty, this site is better off without them.

masoncerritos wrote on August 4, 2014, 12:22 PM

I don't know for sure, but I think the reason is more sinister than you have so far realized. You see bubblews does not attempt to educate whereas you are. Educated people are harder to take advantage of.

jelena wrote on August 12, 2014, 3:28 AM

Hi! Have you try lijit and premiumcpm. They like big webpages.

oldies909 wrote on September 28, 2014, 9:41 PM

Well I hope adsense works out so we can get paid more money because I really do love this site!

somedsatisfied wrote on October 18, 2014, 4:56 PM

This is an old post, I see. Are there more updates to what ever happened with this?

scheng1 wrote on December 7, 2014, 12:56 AM

I suggest you join Amazon affiliate and dx affiliate program. At least you have ads on your sites, and possibility of having affiliate commission.
I think someone uses traffic exchanges that violate Google Adsense TOS.

autumntale wrote on December 27, 2014, 5:40 AM

I am hoping for the best for this wonderful site. I know you can keep up and become the best in the world.

JohnRoberts wrote on January 13, 2015, 7:05 PM

Google Adsence is corrupt in my opinion. They look for any way to cancel you. For example, if you get too many hits on ads and I mean legitimate hits, they claim you are cheating and cancel your account and ban you for life in order to get out of payment.