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I Really Like Persona Paper …. BUT

So I was reading some new stuff today and something caught my attention like a bulldozer to the face. Today's hot topic is .. short (spam) comments?

Really? Short comments are evil things that should be expelled to the outer limits of the abyss? Don't come at me with your grand ideas about eliminating or reducing spam either. I've seen no less than half a dozen "articles" that are nothing more than cut-and-paste bad translations. Or nothing more than reposts from Bubblews.

Do I have a problem with non-english speakers or reposting? Nope, I just think that keeping the site READABLE is more important than going off half cocked on a crusade against what you might think are "SPAM" comments.

Be careful that you don't take your policies and their enforcement too far. I don't tend to leave short comments, but I have been known to bend to the strong desire to SAY something instead of just clicking the like button. Comments, even short ones, represent a connection between the writer and the reader that a simple button click CANNOT replace.



Neext!

Well, if I'm gonna paint a big bullseye on myself I may as well go all out eh?

Family friendly. Hmmm …. I don't have a problem with the IDEA. I don't even have a problem with most of the policy. But there's something there that's bugging me. Oh yeah, I know what it is!

We don't live in a Norman Rockwell painting. Take it easy ya'll, before you find yourself making a list of "bad" words. next thing you know I won't be able to talk about how wonderful a cold beer is on a hot day.

Take a look around. Beware that your utopian ideals don't create a dictatorship. Learn from that "other site" as much as you can, but don't become worse in different ways. I LOVE this site … BUT.


P.S. - I think "nice post" is irritating too. Just sayin.

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I am an artist, writer, ordained interfaith minister, veteran, spiritualist, androgyne, and piles of other labels that never seem to fit. I am following my passion and attempting to make myself and the world a better place. I think that through compassion and understanding we can all become one unified race of human beings. I also think that life is better when you remember to play. Be good to each other and spread the virus of love and compassion.

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Comments

SimeyC wrote on June 11, 2014, 2:48 PM

Nice Post emoticon :winking: The problem with 'bad' words is that the advertising agencies decide this - it's all very well having a foul mouthed site, but you'll find that no one will advertise on the site - so this rule is a MUST sadly - and enforced by those who pay this site...not the owners!

dracoselene wrote on June 11, 2014, 2:58 PM

Profanity and obscenity aren't the problem. The problem is that other things can wind up on a list. Words like breast (of chicken).

Once upon a time I could NOT put my last name on some sites without it getting censored. Peacock turned in to Pea*thingy* ...

momathome wrote on June 11, 2014, 3:00 PM

I can understand where you come from and there is a difference between short comments and spam comments. Spam comments arise when someone doesn't even read the post that you've written (for example the person who is writing nice post on the posts that talk specifically against doing so). These people are disrespecting those who have taken the time to actually write on this site.

I do agree with you that "reposting" is something that I'm not really excited about but as of now that is not against the rules and I do feel the same about the "cut and paste" translation articles but yet again, these are not technically against the rules as I've been apprised of them at this time.

The reason that spam comments are being targeted at this moment is that many writers do not appreciate them on their posts. I am one of those writers myself. In addition they are not something that advertisers want to pay for and as it is the advertising dollars that allow you to be paid, they will definitely prevent us from growing in the future.

I have no problem with short comments in and of themselves, as long as the comment is relevant to the post and the person is not cutting and pasting the same comment over and over on everyone's posts. It is those copied comments that are considered spam and that we are determined to eliminate.

BrianaDragon wrote on June 11, 2014, 3:02 PM

I do wish they'd clarify about "family friendly" and outright say what we can't write. As a creator of poetry, and therefore fiction, it seems a lot of my work wouldn't be welcome. I have no problem with not swearing, but that's not the whole issue.
I've commented about the short comments argument too. Of course, some kind of verification system might keep a lot of the spammers out.
As for auto-translations, I say remove them all.

dracoselene wrote on June 11, 2014, 3:04 PM

BINGO!

Cut and paste translations are a pet peeve of mine, since I was a linguist. If I can't make sense of it, it's BAD. Reposting is just bad form, especially when the formatting goes to all wonky and again I can't read it.

ashley wrote on June 11, 2014, 4:04 PM

Hi there dracoselene ... let me clarify what we are talking about so we are all on the same page. Many different people responded on the topic of "short comments" so what we are referring to may get misconstrued. I don't mind people sharing short comments at all... if someone posts that they just got engaged, it is perfectly acceptable to leave "Congratulations" as a comment which would not be considered a spammy comment.

Our issue is when someone uses very common, short comments who's intention is to spam. The most common being "nice post". If you would like to put nice post on an article, by all means. But if we see you put "Nice post" on 10 or 15 different articles... especially in a relatively short timeframe then I think anyone would consider that to be an unwanted addition to the conversation which is where the real value of the content is. The only legitimate purpose I can see for putting "nice post" on 10 or 15 different articles in a "hint-hint-nudge-nudge" to come leave a comment for me. I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine type of thing. I think everyone can agree that does nothing to help the community or the content it is producing.

Very true, we do not live in a Normon Rockwell painting... especially on the internet where everything is a free for all. However, we want to establish a certain level of decency within our community as a whole. If you want to write an article on anatomy describing parts of the body, feel free to talk about breasts. We do not want to host items like Erotica or graphic descriptions of items of that nature. Especially when the primary focus is to get people to share these via social media of which many teens are present. I can't be their parent, but I also do not want to be the source of that kind of reading. Want to talk about guns or how somebody was shot in the news? That is perfectly acceptable. Want to write a story, poem or thought in which you describe a bullet passing through a body, the damage and pain it inflicts would be a bit much for the "family friendly" rating.

We are not out to create a dictatorship or even a utopian society (which is impossible anyway)... just our little walled garden decorated how we like. You are more than welcome to visit our walled garden. We take feedback and welcome all kinds, even posts like this. This is great, allows us to express our views and opinions on a variety of subjects so people who want to join our community can have a firm understanding of how we see things and where we stand. It is then up to those users to decide how much participation they want to invest in our community.

Sorry, I tend to get long winded when explaining my points of view... but its a good conversation that I am glad to have with anyone.

Chantiele wrote on June 11, 2014, 4:04 PM

You have a lot of valid points there, I will discuss the family friendly situation with you. The site is trying to make sure that the content is clean for a reason, Example, I do not know if you are a father or have children or not. But imagine that you are the father of a 14 year old daughter and she gets a link from this site from twitter to an article, she follows the link and comes to an article that is not appropriate for a child, what would you do? That is why we are trying to make this a family friendly site :)

Chantiele wrote on June 11, 2014, 4:06 PM

Well said Ashley :)

dracoselene wrote on June 11, 2014, 4:18 PM

It IS indeed a good conversation and one that is worth having. Thank you for your clarifications and eloquence. I truly appreciate (and agree with) your stand on short comments,

Not to be a pest, but as I understand it you are looking to create a mostly PG site. I just get a little bent out of shape when people use the "family friendly" label on things,

And now back to our irregular programming!

momathome wrote on June 11, 2014, 4:51 PM

I completely agree with you. I saw one today but it happens to be the same person who has been pasting "nice post" all morning so I doubt that account will be open long.

I just hope that you understand that to me (and I'm sure to the other moderators) we are not trying to condemn all short comments or any legitimate comments. It's just the ones where people are making the exact same comment on post after post. The person that got us upset this morning wrote "nice comment" on EVERY single post they visited and that was a VERY large number of posts. That obviously counts as spam as a few of the posts were discussing this very topic, lol.

ashley wrote on June 11, 2014, 4:59 PM

HAHA Yes, we are aiming for... let's say primetime television. Don't want a late night HBO/Cinemax or Disney/Nickelodeon content... but somewhere in the middle :) Thanks for being a member of our community!

dracoselene wrote on June 11, 2014, 5:01 PM

And again a BINGO!

I get it, I really do. But when moderators write posts condemning short spammy comments, then you set an example. You are making a precedent. We don't want everyone thinking that short comments in and of themselves are a bad thing every time. Spam is bad, but sometimes short comments aren't.

dracoselene wrote on June 11, 2014, 5:04 PM

Thanks for having me emoticon :smile:
Maybe you should have something about a PG rating somewhere in the policies, it's a LOT more clear than "family friendly".

SandraLynn wrote on June 12, 2014, 2:35 PM

BAM!

emoticon :heart:

Well said, all involved!

YAY

:heart:

(I was trying for a short comment. I failed)

Ruby3881 wrote on June 12, 2014, 3:20 PM

Thanks for the clarifications, Ashley. I really love that you and at least one moderator took the time to carry on intelligent conversations when less than positive feedback was offered. This is definitely a demonstration of the kinds of flexibility and transparency that will make Persona Paper stand out next to similar writing platforms :)

dorannmwin wrote on June 12, 2014, 5:22 PM

I really don't think that it is so much with just short comments, I think that they can be acceptable when they are written with purpose. But those comments that are seen all too often all over the place that are simply "nice post" really don't add anything at all.

AdrienneJenkins wrote on June 23, 2014, 4:45 PM

Good on you to explain what you're thinking.