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If This Is A Dream I'll Take The Nightmare

Just what is going on in US ? I have seen a news broadcast of a Pregnant Woman repeatedly punched by three police'men' as she was being held in a bear grip by them, she repeatedly told them she was pregnant.

Then I saw a demonstration in another place where the demonstrators were punched and kicked by police,this isn't very pleasant viewing and there is no excuse for police brutality.

The next shock I got was when I saw a man walking along a road,just normal walking. A car deliberately drove at, and over, him. It was a police car and it was horrendous.

If this is the American dream I would say it is more like a nightmare !


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bestwriter wrote on April 15, 2015, 8:03 AM

We get to hear about these ghastly acts from all over the world.

scheng1 wrote on April 15, 2015, 8:50 AM

If this generation is like this, the next generation will be worse. I think sooner or later people will call for more stringent laws.

VinceSummers wrote on April 15, 2015, 9:12 AM

There are two sides to every story. Frankly, the U.S. is on a decided downswing in morality, but then, so is the rest of the world - make no mistake. Slower, perhaps, in some areas. One thing's for sure, though: there's no American Dream, unless it's to materialize one's greed to take away the other guy's hard-earned bucks.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 9:14 AM

So that's okay! Just drive over him as he is WALKING with his back towards the POLICE..

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 9:16 AM

I do understand that ,but we are talking about a country that wishes to POLICE the world,not a third world country.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 9:16 AM

If there are any people left.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 9:18 AM

If the victim was a scoundrel,which civilised country just mows him down in cold blood ?

Ellis wrote on April 15, 2015, 9:25 AM

There is always a few bad apples in every barrel...

bestwriter wrote on April 15, 2015, 9:28 AM

But the facts are otherwise.This big brother image is not there in reality. They are the same as any other country.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 9:59 AM

Wrong! No details needed! Police aren't paid to mow down human beings no matter what they have done ,what do you think courts are for??

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 10:02 AM

How many do we need before enough is enough ? I have mentioned three different episodes of police brutality.

cmoneyspinner wrote on April 15, 2015, 10:31 AM

What's going on in the US is we have cameras now!!! Ever since the Rodney King incident! Street cams nailed the Boston Marathon bombers. Cameras can catch nasty law enforcement officials pissing on citizens. Question is: Will the cameras help get justice for victims? Cause if they don't ...

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maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 10:56 AM

I have just re-read the case on Wiki of Rodney King. They wanted him dead ! You say US have cameras now! They may help a little ,now and then. The State violence is incredibly high there,need more than cameras,need a civilised police force.

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 11:10 AM

Perhaps it is the US government wishing to police the world but I wish the hell the US would turn isolationist and I believe most fellow Americans feel the same way. But America in general should not be labeled as the world's police. That's the idea of some politicians.

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 11:20 AM

The UK isn't without violence. How many stories of soccer hooligans going crazy? You had your race riots in Brixton. The British soldier beheaded on a public street. You have to remember violence in the US is far greater in numbers than the UK because of vaster population and space. It's a popular pass time to rip the US who twice bailed out England in the world wars. The Brits have had a resentment of their American cousins as the US overtook England as world power and because Americans handed England its first defeat in the revolutionary war. I stood in the Imperial War Museum in London and read the words "situation unresolved" rather than admit defeat concerning the revolutionary war. So I am a bit prickly when it comes to criticism from the UK whose history is filled with centuries of sins and violence in its conquests.

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 11:23 AM

What civilized country has its soldiers beheaded during daylight in public on an English street?

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 11:30 AM

Yes, our law enforcement sucks constantly. But is the UK overrun with as many sophisticated organized crime rings like the Mafia, violent street gangs and drug cartels? I think not and don't say it's because of your gun laws. Your best defense against crime is being an island where it's easier to monitor and control who and when enters. if you had open borders with criminals pouring in unchecked, you might rethink having a tougher armed police force.

LeaPea2417 wrote on April 15, 2015, 11:31 AM

Sometimes I think police officers over step their bounds and do the wrong thing. But, in lots of situations, they are dealing with guilty people. I think our liberal media focuses on the abuses of police against innocents more to give the whole world the view that American police are evil (which in most cases is not true).

CoralLevang wrote on April 15, 2015, 11:51 AM

Recounting three separate episodes does not make the entire US and its citizens bad. If you are going to use that kind of logic, shall we start dissecting every country's history of all the atrocities of its peoples?
Although what these police officers have done is horrendous, and they should all be held to account, this lays claim more to what people do when they are in a position of power and control. I have to agree with JohnRoberts here ... I'm not sure you or any others would want to be held under the magnifying glass and scrutinized either. We have bad people in this world/in every country.

cmoneyspinner wrote on April 15, 2015, 12:23 PM

Whew! Gotta admit JohnRoberts is telling the truth. He doing it Chris Matthews Hardball style! Back you up on that one!

cmoneyspinner wrote on April 15, 2015, 12:29 PM

Brits? American cousins? I understand your prickly-ness. (Sort of.) But criticism about police brutality and official oppression should be voiced. That kind of stuff happening to people on any part of the planet is not a good thing. Thank God we have a platform where we can voice our frustrations and hopefully come up with some solutions.

cmoneyspinner wrote on April 15, 2015, 12:37 PM

I get what you're saying but in America its "innocent until proven guilty". There are right ways to enforce the law and bring the guilty to justice. You can't kill them before they ever get to trial. You can't opt to beat the crap out of them because they are guilty. The confrontation has to be a life and death struggle going on. The question is: Is the innocent person confronting a dirty cop to save his or her life? OR Is the cop confronting a ruthless criminal to save his life and protect and serve the public? The incidents that have everybody in an uproar is that the dividing line is not clear and plain to see, and the question can't be easily answered. Still! Better to scream and shout about it than to be silent and pretend nothing happened.

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cmoneyspinner wrote on April 15, 2015, 12:49 PM

Agree. Heard this story a while back. There was a man who came to the USA from Africa. He was beaten and robbed and subsequently hospitalized. They asked him on hospital bed if he was sorry he left his homeland. He said NO. He was still glad he came to America. I thought to myself - 'Goodness! Where did you come from?' Police brutality is (and always has been) a major problem. Citizens know America isn't perfect. But what do non-citizens know about US that we don't know?? It's says something about US when a man gets beat up as soon as he gets here and still says he's happy to be here! America is a dream for many people.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 1:11 PM

cmoneyspinner ,sorry ,haven't had time to digest the comments ,just returned avter a 4 mile walk with my muts so a bit shattered,back after coffee break.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 1:39 PM

No hope then..

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 1:43 PM

JohnRoberts , I think that one hundred countries invaded by US is a very good indication of what they are,maybe the arms dealers run them!

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 1:47 PM

I hardly see what the actions of a murderer,s has to do with your police acting unlawfully in an obvious act of attempted murder.

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JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 1:58 PM

England invaded and conquered and served as police over more countries than the US ever did for a hell of a lot longer. The sun never set on the British Empire which looted half the world.

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 2:00 PM

You made a snarky remark inferring the US is not a civilized country. I am countering that your country isn't so civilized as it likes to pretend it is.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 2:02 PM

The UK is crippling it's youth with unemployment and the poverty of no culture through years of Tory style rule so I think it is pretty marvelous considering that. Remember we have the wealthy,really wealthy from all over the world, buying all the prime property, and land, in London ,thereby forcing our youth into homelesness. The ones who are involved in crime have been forced into it.

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 2:04 PM

I am not condemning voicing criticism of either stance. I am just putting in my tarnished two cents in disagreeing and providing a counterpoint.

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 2:07 PM

So you condone youths turning to crime to support themselves and have "been" forced into it. If you were to get mugged and injured, would you forgive your assailant because he was "forced" to do it?

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 2:19 PM

Well,you don't really wish to go that far back ,surely! If so, may I tell you about my walk today where the Roman walls are crumbling!
So you are condoning the invasions since the 1950s, because of our 'old Empire' in the yesterdays... I am interestingly astonished.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 2:34 PM

Never did I say that. Although in truth I have ,when young been attacked in my own home by a policeman, been attacked by soldiers on a train. I have actually got empathy for the youth of today everywhere.

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 2:43 PM

No, the point I am trying to make is you act so righteous in condemning US actions when your country has committed far more and worse acts. Have you heard about British force in Ireland since 1950? I don't care if it was yesterday or 1650. People wish to conveniently forget history. Your country would still rule and police half the world and gladly do so if it hadn't finally crumbled. England didn't see the "light" humanitarily but simply lost its grip when the peoples it had ruled for so long had the strength to take control. I am always astonished at the self righteous arrogance of the British.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 2:54 PM

It is surely a murderous act to drive at high speed at a person walking in a neighbourhood,is that a civilised act ?Is it civilised to batter a woman,one who is pregnant,very civilised? If my country was civilised we wouldn't have had the liar Blair tagging on to the coat -tails of US Imperialism. No pretence from me, you are full of unfounded assumptions.

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 3:01 PM

I just wanted to hear you state England is often no better or more civilized than the US. Perhaps more time addressing the issues of your country than condemning the US right or wrong. You are more than entitled to express yourself but you can't speak negatively about another country and not expect blow back especially when your country isn't all that great either.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 3:15 PM

As an internationalist I don't accept that I am not allowed to criticize who, or what, happenings, that I disagree with.
Where I happen to live at this moment is quite irelevant,although I would add that, as I am of Irish descent, I can hardly be held responsible for the behaviour of the British Colonialists. As the British were the first settlers in America their decendants are as guilty as anyone else surely, for all of the British Empires misdeeds.

JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 3:26 PM

I never said you weren't allowed to criticize. Very much your right but did you think everyone would agree with you and not express themselves in opposition?

If you are not responsible for the actions of the British government for their RECENT aggressions in Ireland then I and my fellow ordinary Americans are not responsible for the actions of some cop 2000 miles away.

Are you implying that descendents of the first British settlers hold a share of the guilt of the British Empire for instance the slaughter of the Zulus in Africa?

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 3:42 PM

Why on earth would I think that everyone would agree with me [another assumption from you} ?
Did I say YOU were responsible for the attempted murder of the civilian by the police force ?
I have no respect for any fighting anywhere.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 3:45 PM

You deny that the US is the worlds policeman yet you ,who they have bred, are intent on policing me! I speak of what I see and believe. OKay!

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maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 3:53 PM

I do notice that everyone is up in 'arms' about me ,supposedly, criticising, the near murder of a male by your police. Not a word was spoken about the vicious beating of a pregnant woman by police in your country..sexism or what?

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 3:58 PM

CoralLevang ,the three seperate acts of brutality just happened in todays news,I didn't seek them they came into my lounge.

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JohnRoberts wrote on April 15, 2015, 4:35 PM

I never implied any such thing. I am not trying to police you. How you misinterpret. I am merely engaging you in a debate in which I disagree with you on a number of points and apparently you don't like your viewpoints being challenged despite saying everyone's entitled to their opinion.

maxeen wrote on April 15, 2015, 4:43 PM

Which viewpoints are you referring to ?

grandma20121 wrote on April 15, 2015, 11:07 PM

wow I can see there are a few differences of opinions on this post but I do think things are getting out of hand , no one should be drove over regardless the police should pick him up and let the judge decide

BarbRad wrote on April 16, 2015, 12:36 AM

Seemingly there are cases where police have acted with unreasonable force. There are also cases where the videos only show the last half of the story because what caused an incident was not recorded. That said, I can't think of any reason to beat up anyone who is not actively trying to do harm or who is incapable of inflicting harm.

jiangliu1949 wrote on April 16, 2015, 5:29 AM

Nothing can excuse them punching a pregnant woman .They broke a law while they enforced the law .

maxeen wrote on April 16, 2015, 6:03 AM

Hello grandma20121 ,that was my first comment. He is a human being and that is what there are courts for, so I agree with you.

maxeen wrote on April 16, 2015, 6:06 AM

I agree with you completely.

maxeen wrote on April 16, 2015, 6:08 AM

Nothing can excuse that or the possible repercussions to the unborn or future pregnancies.

cmoneyspinner wrote on April 16, 2015, 11:42 AM

JohnRoberts - And you're quite good at it. You're very good at providing counter points. You're not emptying out pointless statements for the sake of "noise". I like it! You and my husband should get together and have a conversation. I run out of breath trying to keep up with him. But when the discussion is over, it's always fruitful. :)

cmoneyspinner wrote on April 16, 2015, 12:01 PM

We got cops beating up pregnant ladies. We got cops choking people to death who had asthma. We got cops smacking around young kids. We got shooting people who fell asleep in their cars. We got cops raping and killing young girls they pulled over an alleged traffic violation. Having grown up and being made aware of numerous instances of police brutality, official oppression or whatever label you want to put on these “acts” - you picked three out of a possible pool of 3 million incidents as “examples” for this short write-up about a social issue that surely is a long long long way from being resolved. But making people aware and getting them talking is a step in the right direction!

cmoneyspinner wrote on April 16, 2015, 12:06 PM

Like I tell my kids. Please cooperate with the nice police officer and don't do anything that can be construed as a “provocation”. These people carry a loaded gun on their hip and they have legal authority to discharge their weapon! They'll shoot you and do the paperwork later! And you won't be able to say anything because you'll be dead!!

maxeen wrote on April 16, 2015, 1:53 PM

I absolutely agree with you-it goes against the grain but can't argue against might.

maxeen wrote on April 16, 2015, 2:03 PM

Your comment somehow reminded me of the abused partner when her control by the bully she lived with was only able to be continued by her silence !Tragically it is still happening today in all parts of the world.

allen0187 wrote on April 20, 2015, 8:31 AM

Police brutality is a grim part of reality. It has been in existence for a long time already and the only difference is nowadays, we get to witness it because of social media. Otherwise, these episodes of police brutality will go unnoticed and will continue.

maxeen wrote on April 20, 2015, 12:36 PM

I think lots of things will change with the internet.

seren3 wrote on June 1, 2015, 4:27 PM

Nowadays police seem to get very aggressive if a person is upset and raises their voice at all. That's silly seeing that most people call the police because they're upset about something. I witnessed that - a lady called the police after a car accident. She couldn't calm down and lower her voice and he got really mean. Yet she was not threatening in any way.

Debbie wrote on June 15, 2015, 5:03 AM

I think if the police had ran at that couple of guys in Woolwich who ran down a soldier in their car and then hacked at his body, if the police had run at them I don't think I'd be bothered about what courts are for in that case. I'd be happy for the police to run at them, even from behind.