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Do You Ever Get Tired...

Do you ever get tired of random assumptions, half truths, and plain decent? I was just over at Bubblews and saw so much of it that I ended up "having" to write a post asking for everyone to quit taking the easy way out. I don't know if it will help or not but I truly hope it does not fall on deaf ears.

Here is a summary of the points that I brought up in my post and I am only repeating it here because I've seen the same conversations raging here as I have there.

Problem 1: Everyone wants to accuse Arvind and Bubblews staff of stealing.

Fact 1: You can't steal something that doesn't exist. The truth was the site was never earning what they were supposed to be paying us to begin with. The money just wasn't there and you can't steal something that isn't there!

Problem 2: People are claiming that all payment issues are due to people breaking the rules, spamming and cheating the system.

Fact 2: They are basically accusing these people of stealing money as well -- so see fact 1!

Problem 3: Those who have left are just afraid of working hard and are not dedicated to Bubblews

Fact 3: Some people do not write online for fun. Some people need their online earnings to pay for basic necessities. Writing sites with their current payout structures cannot do this, at least none that I know of can produce an income of $600-$800 per month. These people had to leave the site in order to spend time on other sites where they can earn that kind of money.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Arvind or Bubblews. They should have been honest and addressed the issue the second they noticed that what was coming in wasn't matching what was supposed to go out. They instead played the game of the camel, digging their heads in the sand, hiding and hoping that the problem would go away by itself. That was totally unprofessional and their writers deserved better.

I'm also not denying that there were people spamming and gaming the system, and they were most definitely in the wrong.

And last but not least, I'm not begrudging anyone who is dedicated to the site or their vision of what they want the site to become. I still intend to stay with the site, posting and interacting when I can. But we don't have the right to belittle others who have chosen to leave either -- we don't know their situation or whether they can financially afford to spend time on a site with little to no benefit to their families.


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madeindevon wrote on January 8, 2015, 2:37 AM

I have read so many articles now about Bubblews - The bottom line, in my opinion, is you really shouldn't "change the goalposts" without giving notice. If notice had been given, no-one could have the right to feel "wronged"

paperdaisyflower7 wrote on January 8, 2015, 3:10 AM

I never spammed or viviolated been on the site since nov 2012 and i got some pending too but Im still there just waiting for a miracle

BeadDoodler wrote on January 8, 2015, 6:51 AM

Articles lambasting Arvind and Bubblews abound on every writing site I'm on. I really get tired of it. You are right. Everyone has their reasons for writing online and if a site is not paying them for their time, they need to leave that site, but to continually gripe and point fingers on other sites is a pointless waste of their time.

Kat- wrote on January 8, 2015, 7:13 AM

For some reason belittling others seems to make some people fell better, how exactly I'm not sure but it does. The way I look at it there are three groups, ones that stayed and are supporting the site, ones that left and the other is the ones that are on the fence about the whole thing. The thing is all this pointing fingers and name calling doesn't do any good. Each individual person made the decision they did for a reason, they do not need someone else to give them permission.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 7:19 AM

Kat- that is exactly how I feel. I'm just am completely fed up with reading all the junk that is not even based on facts but is only a bunch of mudslinging.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 7:21 AM

madeindevon I agree, they should have dealt with the situation a long time ago. Yes they would have lost writers, but not as many as they lost because of stalling and avoidance tactics that they used.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 7:24 AM

&patperdaisyflower7 I was on there from June of 2013 (and still am) and I had some awol payments as well, even though I've always followed the rules. And I do agree that they should have addressed the issues as soon as they realized their pay rate didn't match what was actually coming in (just as Persona Paper did). It was wrong to not do so.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 7:27 AM

BeadDoodler I'm just tired of all the mudslinging that isn't even factual. Yes, I can see people being upset if they lost redemptions that they were counting on in this mess. I wouldn't even begrudge them complaining about it, but the problem is what they are saying is not even true. If they want to complain, at least complain about what truly happened and how it effected them.

Feisty56 wrote on January 8, 2015, 9:29 AM

I am not at all pleased with the less than forthright way that things were done or not done there. I held out hope that there would be improvements over time, but in the meanwhile, I moved forward. People are frustrated and disappointed. Individual decisions to stay or go are just that --individual decisions.

I agree, to a point, that not paying writers what they were told they would be earning is not stealing, but it is unethical.

WordChazer wrote on January 8, 2015, 9:40 AM

I suspect that where Bubblews went wrong was paying US advert rates to those countries where the advert rate didn't match the payment. With 60% of their visitors coming from places where Google Adsense isn't operating, they were getting a LOT of these 'lower ppc value' visitors and that wasn't bringing in the money as they had hoped.

wolfgirl569 wrote on January 8, 2015, 10:30 AM

Te main ting I am upset with them on is my completely disappeared redemptions. They should have adjusted the amounts on them. So where did the money go from those, even after you figure the lower pay rate. I am waiting to see what will happen there.

caretakerray wrote on January 8, 2015, 12:39 PM

I too am a bubbler! I love the site but you are right. we cannot make enough at about .50 cents an hour or less! That's why I am here.

seren3 wrote on January 8, 2015, 12:49 PM

I neither agree nor disagree. I have no idea what Bubblews ever made. I don't understand why they would have members from countries where Adsense doesn't operate. But I don't know the ins and outs of advertising. I vented my displeasure at un-earning retroactivley or whatever they are calling it. I could have spent those 6 non-paid weeks elsewhere. The fact that I was paid an Oct. redemption before a larger one from September was paid, then lost the new 30 day much bigger redemption of that time, leads to believe they are picking and choosing to pay out the least.
I do agree that it serves no one to belittle anyone. I kinow many Bubblers have said they don't write there for the money. I am truly happy for them. I'd love to be in that income range.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 3:44 PM

Feisty56 I completely agree with you and if the complaints were that they were unethical by not being honest and forthright about the financial situation I wouldn't be tired of reading all of it. It's the fact that their complaints are of "stealing" when that's not actually true. Honest complaints I can handle, its the "mudslinging" variety not based on fact that irritate me.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 3:50 PM

seren3 I agree completely about them "choosing to pay the lowest ones", they were doing that because they didn't have the funds coming in to pay the bigger ones and they were playing a "cover" game -- trying to cover as many as possible and hide their heads instead of admitting that they couldn't pay out as they were claiming they would. While this was deceitful and I'm in no way justifying their behavior, it's not stealing when the money isn't there to steal.

As to the people who can afford to write and not earn, I agree -- it must be nice to be in an income bracket to be able to spend hours per day on a site and not have to worry about finances. I'm not there either, I had to limit my time writing because I can't afford to spend much time on writing sites because the payrates just don't take care of what I need to cover each month!

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 3:55 PM

WordChazer It wasn't just that, look at the pay scale here. Persona Paper had to reduce theirs right away because they were unable to pay a penny per view, like, comment because the advertising doesn't pay that much (even for the US). Bubblews had set up their compensation scale wrong from the beginning rather than come forward when they realized it, which they had to have a long time ago, they tried playing shell games with their members (missing payments), and blamed everything on fraud. They were afraid of loosing their writers, but the fact is that I don't think they would have lost the number they did if they had come forward the second they realized that the money coming in wasn't what was promised to go out.

BarbRad wrote on January 8, 2015, 3:57 PM

I basically agree, except with the first point. It's true you can't steal money that isn't there, but you can steal people's time and energy that they could have used on sites that would earn more. When you promise pay what you you know you can't deliver, you are stealing that time from people. If those people had even been on Chatabout or survey sites they could have made some money with their time and been paid.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 3:57 PM

&TheresaWiza I'm on there and here when I can but the fact is that no writing site has much of a payout anymore. Not when you consider the earnings you can make from other sites (survey sites, ptc sites, etc). I can earn more for the same amount of time elsewhere, so that is where I have to spend the majority of my time, even if I'd rather spend it on here and Bubblews.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 3:59 PM

caretakerray You must be doing excellent on there to make 50 cents per hour, I don't know anyone who is doing that now. Of course that is why I'm spending most of my time on Swagbucks, Opinion Outpost, Pinecone Research, etc. I make a much higher earnings/hour on those sites than I do on any writing site.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 4:02 PM

wolfgirl569 I completely understand where you are coming from there. I have several that have gone missing over the year and 1/2 that I was active on there. I'm still there but just not really active anymore. It's like here, I get on there when I can but only after I've taken care of my daily earnings for the day on other sites with better payrates (swagbucks, opinion outpost, pinecone research, etc.). Writing sites just can't compete with them because the payrates are minuscule compared to what survey sites and ptc sites pay for the same amount of time investment.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 4:07 PM

BarbRad I do agree but the "stealing" that is being complained about is that people keep saying that Bubblews stole their money (not their time), and the fact is that they couldn't steal it because it was never received. I'm not defending them, because I still feel that they were dishonest and should have been upfront and addressed the compensation rate immediately when they discovered that their original model wasn't accurate.

If they had done so, people would have known from the beginning how much they would be making and could have made their own decision about where to spend that time. They knew though that they would lose a great many of their writers because people wouldn't continue spending as much time on their site when the same amount of time on another site would be of greater benefit to themselves and their families. So instead they tried to play shell games (missing payments) and blame all the problems on cheaters and spammers. So I have no problem with complaints about dishonestly or the site cheating them of their time, it's just the complaints that are not based on truth that truly rub me the wrong way.

wolfgirl569 wrote on January 8, 2015, 5:40 PM

I just never seem to get anywhere with the survey sites.

Gina145 wrote on January 8, 2015, 6:40 PM

I was going to say what BarbRad said about stealing time, but another money related issue that's been bothering me is the fact that through all this, Bubblews still seems to have money to pay for another round of so-called upgrades. That money could be better spent buying trust from their members by at least sending them part payments for their past work. A part payment for outstanding redemptions in 2013 was enough to convince me to give Bubblews a second chance in 2014, but I won't make the same mistake again.

momathome wrote on January 8, 2015, 8:35 PM

wolfgirl569 I have dropped some of the dead weight ones, but I have some that have been very profitable and those are the ones I concentrate on. Plus I have some online communities that pay pretty good for very little time investment, they are similar to survey sites but they just have a few weekly activities/polls/surveys that you do and you get paid a flat rate monthly as long as you complete at least 75% of the activities. Plus of course I use swagbucks which is my top earner at this point.

BodieMor wrote on January 9, 2015, 1:15 AM

To digress a little from the topic, I must say I had no idea this whole part of life and the Internet existed - outside of being happy for a dear friend who was making some needed extra income doing what she loved on a writing site with a whimsical name. I assumed it was like Instagram with earnings. I have learned from this site how important it has been in the lives of so many and I marvel that there are those who have figured out how to make a decent living from home. Kudos to all of you. I hope all of these sites find their footing and that I can catch up on the learning curve.

Sheilamarie78 wrote on January 10, 2015, 3:49 PM

I agree with your assessment and with the criticism that they should have been more upfront with their writers about what was going on. Trust takes time to rebuild once it's been broken. I also still go there, mostly because I really love the contacts I've developed there and many of them have stayed, even if they are less active than they used to be (as I am as well). I have written as much as I care to about the problems and would prefer to focus on other things now.

PeggyWds wrote on January 11, 2015, 7:13 PM

What I wrote on one of Arvind's posts I will repeat here. Everyone has a budget. Any changes should have been made going forward...not backward. Not paying what was owed is just wrong. This did not happen overnight and they should have been honest and forthright about it as the owners of this site appear to be.

grandma20121 wrote on January 16, 2015, 9:53 PM

its certainly true that people had lost income that they should have been paid, perhaps if they had payed backed redemptions and adjusted pay rate for the new year at what was affordable to them so there was notice, just my thoughts on it .

valmnz wrote on January 31, 2015, 9:15 PM

Well written, especially No 1. I still drop by and write there, but have increased my level of participation here.

HappyLady wrote on February 5, 2015, 9:35 AM

I think many of us are still there, but also here and elsewhere as when it comes to it, we all need to earn something. I have defended them, but my eyes are not as closed as some think. I am watching to see how they handle the way ahead. I have no objection to apps and the like. It could even benefit people overall, but I am not sure why they chose the name of a failed company. The main problem is they did something huge and that hurt a lot of people in a hurry, but my guess is that for some reason they were faced with no other option. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Bubblews office and understand how things really came about. People do make bad business decisions for the wierdest of reasons. My own father once tried to sell a wierd contraption that made no sense to me for standing gaz camping cookers on and of course it did not sell. Could you tell this otherwise sane man? No of course not. It was his baby.

GayleStorm wrote on February 5, 2015, 10:48 AM

What was really frustrating to me personally was that my posts don't show up on the front page anymore. Not even for a second. I had no traffic. So I'm moving my more evergreen content over here to bring it new life.

gr8nana wrote on February 5, 2015, 4:23 PM

It would have been nice had they been straight forward with us as soon as they realized there was a problem. I wouldn't have given it a second thought, but the way it all bottomed out was horrible.