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Can bubblews entice users back?

I have been flitting back to bubblews since operation clean slate pushed so many of us to leave, and like many of you here I have read Arvinds latest post which is much in the same vain as his previous posts since new years. It has got me wondering though how on earth they are going to fix this mess.

Obviously they need to find a way to entice a lot of users back or attract new ones. Either way they have a tough job ahead of them with everything that has been said elsewhere online. Part of me does miss it over there so I can't help but wonder what it would actually take to convince those who have left to pick up their bubble wands and start posting again.

Some of those who are still there have made some good suggestions so far including:

A return to 30 day payments.

lowering the redemption to $20.

An announcement about the "Changes" that are continually promised.

Changes to be announced via a email sent to all members.

Personally I don't know if that would be enough to convince me. would this be enough for you?

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makeachange wrote on January 7, 2015, 12:52 PM

I am still logging into there occasionally but no where like I used to! If they make some changes I reckon i could be tempted

Kat- wrote on January 7, 2015, 12:56 PM

For me to even think about it, they'd have to pay me my money they owed me in lost redemptions.

peachpurple wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:06 PM

if the redemption is back to $20, it will bring back writers for sure. ALmost the same here

Feisty56 wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:07 PM

Trust lost is difficult, if not impossible, to regain. If it had been a one-time oops with an explanation, I could live with that. From simply making the broad gesture to eliminate entire countries of people to again and again making edicts that retroactively deprived members of their earnings, there is nothing Arvind or his crew can do to regain my trust.

FancyFree74 wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:13 PM

I would just like to see some frequent updates by them before they do something instead of giving a statement after the fact. All people want is honesty and to be kept updated on whats going on over there. That isn't asking for much.

ison1 wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:19 PM

Those suggestions are good. But I don't have any confidence that the CEO or anyone else there are up to the job. If they can address that and prove it then I think that would help

Dawnwriter wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:21 PM

They will have to work very hard with all the competition that has cropped up. Unless it is something quite amazing, I don't think they have an easy task ahead of them

GedWrites wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:23 PM

It wouldn't be enough because he is trying to do the ethical thing by being nice to your face when in fact he is doing the CEO thing which is to distance himself from everyone. He is the single power on bubblews and knows it, he can do it because he knows people will follow him. He should be getting his hands dirty and mucking in with the members, commenting on other posts not just writing his own. Power should be shared throughout bubblews with people being included in the process, it will never happen in my opinion.

Anja wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:32 PM

If they are running on revenue, they can never pay anyone in 30 days. Bubblews doesn't even get paid in 30 days. The ad revenue the site generates in December, won't be paid by Adsense until the end of January for instance. Google doesn't finalize earnings on the last day of the month. I have had an adsense account for 7 years. It used to be they paid around the 15th of the next month but not anymore. It can take longer. Arvind wasn't lying when he told us months ago that they had to wait for the payments from adsense to come in before they issued payments. However, I think Bubblews could easily lower the payment threshold since people are not going to be reaching it quickly. That was the reason they raised it, too many people could reach $25 too quickly.

Porcospino wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:50 PM

I don't plan on writing on Bubblews again. I don't care about the changes they promised. They deleted all pending redemptions before November 11. If they have done it once they might do it again. I have lost $200 and I am not interested in losing anymore money so I will definately stay way from that site in the future. I don't spend my time on sites I can't trust.

MaeLou wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:52 PM

I'm with this, I think 45 days is sufficient in payments though... 60 is a bit much and it's 90 for other countries, which just doesn't make sense there at all. Anyway, it would take forever to reach $50 so lowering it to $25 and having more open communication would bring some people in or back anyways. Unfortunately, one of the staff there basically commented on Arvinds latest post that they aren't doing any redemption changes, just site updates, and they like "surprises" therefore, will not be announcing those either. Everything that makes sense to do, they pretty much tell you to shut up and they'll do what they want.

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:00 PM

I understand the adsense restrictions lovely, i only mentioned it as it is among the suggestions on the site.

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:03 PM

it's such a shame. they keep shooting themselves in the foot with these responses. what i am finding interesting is watching how other sites like this are reacting to it. I've already seen one site decide to make some of the same moves bubblews did which makes me pretty sure that site will go the same way.

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:04 PM

I don't blame you at all. I'm sorry to hear you lost so much because of them

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:05 PM

I couldn't agree with you more. i have a sneaking suspicion the site will fold and he will just move on and start another and do exactly the same thing

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:06 PM

no i'm very glad i don't have to sit in their offices and try to deal with this.

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:07 PM

I don't see that happening at all, i doubt they would even attmpt to fix it by bringing someone qualified in to fix it

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:08 PM

it isn't much to ask is it. i guess we just have to wait and see

carebear4u wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:08 PM

They should lower the payment back to $50. I emailed them and they were considering it.

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:09 PM

no even if i did go back I think i would spend a lot of time waiting for the next kick

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:10 PM

I do think it would attract some back. if nothing else it would make those who have stayed happier

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:11 PM

sadly I don't see that happening i don't think arvind could eat that much humble pie

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:12 PM

I find it a little sad when i nip over and see my contacts struggling there

Kasman wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:16 PM

After the way they treated their loyal members it would take a lot for me to return to Bubble Ooze full-time - and none of the above would do it. I have confidence in the future of Persona Paper.

arthurchappell wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:16 PM

Why announce new changes by email unless future news is bad and they want to divide and conquer . It'll get circulated online by users anyway

j2401 wrote on January 7, 2015, 2:33 PM

I definitely think a lower redemption would attract some back, docn't know if I would return though

suzzy3 wrote on January 7, 2015, 3:05 PM

A promise not to rob us anymore might be nice. I don't actually know what would entice me back. I feel so let down and the bubble has burst for me I'm afraid.

kat123456 wrote on January 7, 2015, 3:05 PM

I doubt any of that would work, I wish they would lower the redemption amount though so I could get out what I've got now rather than struggle to nudge it up to $50!

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 3:15 PM

He did reply to one of my comments on one of his posts promising it will never happen again, it remains to be seen though

Anja wrote on January 7, 2015, 3:40 PM

MaeLou I agree that they seem impervious to good sense and they really almost resent suggestions, some of which have been excellent. A mobile app as a "surprise" might do them some good. But lowering the payout would really help more.

Anja wrote on January 7, 2015, 3:41 PM

phoenixmaid I saw those new changes on that other site, too. That one will go under even faster than Bubblews.

FourWalls wrote on January 7, 2015, 3:47 PM

In a word: No.

Remember the old saying, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." Each post he puts up sounds more and more arrogant, which isn't helping his side any. "Hey, don't pick on us for starting this mess." Oh, so just WHO let the spammers and plagiarizers run free? WHO said nothing for months then arbitrarily said (on New Year's Eve when no one was on the site) "nobody's getting paid because we defrauded't have the money although WE certainly got paid"? WHO paid thousands to the plagiarizers while ignoring the notifications from honest writers that the material was stolen?? And WHO has been lying to the members since the "new site" launched in late June? He could have avoided all of this by being honest up-front when the mess started. Now everything that oozes out of his keyboard sounds like a lie covering up the last cover-up of the last lie.

The ONLY way he can regain trust is to reinstate the money he stole from the honest bubblers who were owed redemptions prior to November 11, 2014. And nobody's holding their breath for that to happen.

phoenixmaid wrote on January 7, 2015, 3:50 PM

Anja the odd thing is soo many people who have lived through it once seem to be praising them for it.

beachchair wrote on January 7, 2015, 4:13 PM

I would need some faster cash. A 60 day window is pretty far out to await payment. I am not sure I would go back.

Louemham wrote on January 7, 2015, 5:31 PM

I opened up the Bubblews tab tonight, but closed it even before it loaded. It may take a lot for me to go back full time, like I was before. It's a shame really, as I did enjoy it. But PP is just as fun!

iRun wrote on January 7, 2015, 7:57 PM

I don't think so. I was never active there because the environment is so different than here. Even though I am sure I have a bunch of people I know over there, I received a very warm welcome here - and over there... almost nothing. Crickets. I don't know how you get people to actually SEE your stuff over there without contacting people outside the site and pulling them by the hair to see it, but I don't like doing that nor do I have time. Also, because of what happened, I would be VERY on the fence about whether they would actually even honor reimbursements for earnings, since I guess they weren't paying people or denying reimbursement. I don't like being burned, and I'm not willing to invest my time in a place that 'may or may not' start functioning well again.

iRun wrote on January 7, 2015, 7:58 PM

Yep, I more or less said the same =(

Vickiw wrote on January 7, 2015, 8:07 PM

Like you, I am sad to see people struggling along. However I don't wish to be a posting part of it. Selfishly, I'd rather believe this site will one day reunite all of us., and that my pennies will be paid on time. - actually, paid.

WordChazer wrote on January 8, 2015, 9:59 AM

30 day turnround and lower payment (you know I can't type the R-word, right?) threshold would be good. Sorting the photos would be better. Bringing back view count, post editing and a fully visible archive for all members too.

karen5416 wrote on January 8, 2015, 4:14 PM

At the minute posting on bubblews is worthless, it will take months to reach redemption. Arvind needs to stop with his promises and start acting on them. I have found bubblews is very hard work especially when some members have stated they want nothing to do with members who slate the site. Bubbews can do no wrong in there eyes

phoenixmaid wrote on January 8, 2015, 4:32 PM

well arvind has proven him to be worthy of a seat in the house of commons, lets face it he delights on turning his users against each other to avoid the heat just as much as they do

Gina145 wrote on January 8, 2015, 6:08 PM

No, it wouldn't be enough to convince me. I gave them a second chance a year ago, but I'd be a fool to go back now. For now I miss the site, but I'm sure I'll get over it. I may not earn as much at PP, but the interaction is a lot more sincere here and that's important too.

Gina145 wrote on January 8, 2015, 6:18 PM

If we're thinking about the same site, then there's some sense to that. At least that site has realised that their formula wasn't sustainable and has acted on it quickly. Earning there may be difficult now, but I can't see that they've done anything wrong yet - provided they don't rob the bank of money already earned.

iRun wrote on January 10, 2015, 9:18 PM

The problem is - they should have been honest from the beginning - and not just started not paying people. That's what loses trust. People believe they are still contributing and will be rewarded - and then they just stop paying. Not professional, not acceptable at ANY site, in my opinion.