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I Will Stop Donating My Article Earnings to Bubblews

The last straw broke. The well of patience and understanding for Bubblews has run dry. Today, I asked for the deletion of my account from Bubblews. After numerous emails of redemption inquiries that total to more than $500, they finally answered my email. I was asking why they were not paying regularly. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. I asked what my violation was, but there was no answer. My articles have been there since January 2013 and these earn revenues for the site.

Finally they wrote a reply stating that "you have very few posts and very high views. It raises a red flag." To date I have 784 articles uploaded on the site since 2013. Is that such a small number?

With over 3,000 followers on twitter 488 facebook friends, 2,753 followers on Bubblews getting views is inevitable. Useful and informative articles get reshared, retweeted, and repinned by others all over the internet. I cannot control that even if I share only once.

I am still waiting for my account to be finally deleted from so that my articles will stop earning for them. I may or may not create another account; but definitely I will NOT post useful and informative articles there. If it's a "good morning" post they want, FINE, I'll give that to them just to earn a few cents.

I don't usually write negative posts like this. But I believe that internet users must be informed. I'm doing this to inform naive users who are still unaware of what's happening. I am sorry if this seems like just another rant post. If you are not among the victims of Bubblews, just carry on as you wish.


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UmiNoor wrote on August 7, 2014, 11:40 PM

I'm one of the "victims" of Bubblews. I've been a good, honest rule-abiding Bubblews member and yet they don't pay me. I don't know what rule I had violated. Perhaps writing about their failure to pay me? I don't know. But since they refuse to pay me twice consecutively, I'm outta there.

ashuli wrote on August 8, 2014, 1:09 AM

I will like to repeat here what i told UmiNoor just a few minutes ago...

Well, today only i received my 2 payments (one was 29th june and other 6 th july) from them which i thought they missed but sent it both in 1 email, so i still believe they pay, but sometimes due to the new updates they do miss some... emoticon :smile: But will advise you to contact them thru their new support system or thru their official redemption email and in a day or two they reply positively asking about the details of the missed payments and finally they get cleared... :)

vserrao1 wrote on August 8, 2014, 1:35 AM

I am going to write lame posts for them from now on. I will write about "waking up and brushing my teeth and eating breakfast" type of post for Bubblews. They don't deserve real effort from me anymore. I used to plan my day and writings around them. I find now that I wasted my brain over there. I will write original stuff in Persona Paper. This is more organized.

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 8, 2014, 2:20 AM

I used their new support system for my inquiry and I also used that new system to ask them to delete my accounts. I no longer wish the site to earn from my posts while I don't.

astraldreamer wrote on August 8, 2014, 2:52 AM

im wondering, there is so much spam on bubblews so if people cash out at $50 on the dot, after they have deleted the spam comments that people leave on their posts, the amount will go down meaning that you have earned under the minimum withdrawal, that could be a problem for some of those not been paid, my friend has been paid 8 times in a row from there.

UmiNoor wrote on August 8, 2014, 3:05 AM

I don't understand why people think that if a spam comment is deleted from a post that was included in their redemption, their redemption amount will go down. From my personal experience, if a comment or post is deleted, the amount will be deducted from your CURRENT bank balance and not from your redemption amount.

astraldreamer wrote on August 8, 2014, 3:15 AM

but when you redeem, whatever was in your bank includes those spam comments so when they go through your posts i thought surely it gets deducted from the posts that added up to the $50 redemption.

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 8, 2014, 4:33 AM

I believe the refusal to pay is no longer related to violations. I believe they can no long sustain the writers with a large number of viewers. I have read many of your posts which are informative or evergreen as many would call it. These are what many readers and some sites want - but not Bubblews, unfortunately.

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 8, 2014, 4:35 AM

I guess that's what they want over there. LOL!

africanpen wrote on August 8, 2014, 4:51 AM

I also received an email informing me that they were going to send two of my redemptions that had delayed in one mail. All is about patience. The spirit of waiting

indexer wrote on August 8, 2014, 6:15 AM

I have always thought that they were over-suspicious about high views. I used to publicise my posts via Twitter but that got me into trouble - I have more than 12,000 followers and they regarded even the small proportion who clicked on my links as being 'unusual activity'. I had several payments rejected so I simply stopped using Twitter - my payments soon resumed and I have not had another refusal since they did. I am not aware of any other site that does not want you to publicise your articles/posts - the rest are delighted to get views, because this is how advertisements get seen. The only restriction I have come across is the refusal to credit non-unique views - PP is one of the sites that does this.

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 8, 2014, 7:34 AM

How to posts and other informative articles posted there really gather high amounts of views and lots of reshares and repins, which I have no control over. Most of my other personal blog type articles just happen to gather around a hundred to around 200 views over the course of many months. This is the reason I want to delete the account. Many of the evergreen articles have been promoted by other internet users now and views will keep on coming in, which will keep raising red flags for my account.

allen0187 wrote on August 8, 2014, 9:03 AM

Good for you! If the site refuses to pay you but still earn from your posts, that's just bad business practice!

LoudMan wrote on August 8, 2014, 9:47 AM

This didn't seem like a rant post at all. This read like someone whose heart had been broken and had something to say. I'm sorry. I'm only two redemptions in myself. I hope my 1700+ posts with around a quarter-million vies isn't "suspicious."

SandraLynn wrote on August 8, 2014, 9:54 AM

OMG - Athena. I've known you since Triond. WOW. This is like hearing about another damn good writer friend losing her account there. To question the good ones?

I'm waiting to hear on something there, myself. And then I have something in mind...

Kasman wrote on August 8, 2014, 3:11 PM

I may be about to also be a victim and I am leaning towards your point of view and considering taking the action you outline here. I will not be made a fool of.

bestwriter wrote on August 8, 2014, 8:15 PM

Don't tell me that they have put me in a category 'This user needs money for her survival' (lol) Because I am getting paid. :) And if that were true sorry bubblews I am well off without you doling out those paltry dollars :)

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 8, 2014, 9:43 PM

Indeed. I have sent a third message regarding the deletion of my account. Up to now, still no response. It's so irritating!

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 8, 2014, 9:45 PM

It's truly a mystery. Thanks, by way. :)

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 8, 2014, 9:48 PM

Probably, they have a different standard of a "good writer" there. It's comforting to see familiar folks like you on this side of the writing neighborhood. :)

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 8, 2014, 9:50 PM

There's a common pattern going on. I hope it does not happen to you.

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 8, 2014, 9:51 PM

Had I known I was to work for charity, they should have donated my earnings to the calamity or war victims. To this date, my account has not been deleted yet. I have contacted them 3x already.

allen0187 wrote on August 8, 2014, 10:30 PM

Irritating indeed! I wrote them an email earlier asking about my June 30 redemption. I mentioned the fact that in all the six previous times that i contacted them , all they sent was the canned generic responses. Can't wait to hear their reply.

UmiNoor wrote on August 9, 2014, 1:16 AM

From my experience, whenever a comment from a previous post was deleted, the amount is deducted from the current bank balance and shouldn't affect the amount that had been redeemed.

UmiNoor wrote on August 9, 2014, 1:21 AM

I don't think they're in a hurry to delete your account. Perhaps you should send a more stern email threatening to contact all your thousands of Twitter followers about what Bubblews is doing to you and then have them retweet the message to their thousands of followers. I read about a blogger who threatened to blog about how Bubblews hadn't been paying her and she got paid immediately. Perhaps Bubblews needs to be pushed this way.

Ruby3881 wrote on August 9, 2014, 1:32 AM

This post highlights what Bubblews is doing to good writers. I wouldn't be surprised to see more folks deleting their accounts and starting over under a pseudonym so they can earn more money pumping put ten potato posts a day.

bestwriter wrote on August 9, 2014, 2:39 AM

There are some vindictive users who report and bubblews Admin without checking takes action. Just a thought.

Ruby3881 wrote on August 9, 2014, 3:05 AM

I make no secret that I feel Bubblews is punishing the honest users instead of the cheaters. In fact, I wrote a post over there about that exact thing. I honestly doubt they'll take issue with it, but if they did it would be their prerogative. I certainly don't live my life in fear of vindictive users, and the support folks are quite used to seeing my name in any case. I report dozens of violators to them, as well as technical glitches. I don't think there's ever a day that goes by that they don't hear from me :)

bestwriter wrote on August 9, 2014, 3:50 AM

I lost my first account just because there were less tan 400 characters. It is only now they have provided a character counter. I happened to write to a veteran here about some doubt I had. This veteran obviously visited my posts and in just about a day my account was deleted. I had depended on an online character counter. And you know this was my first post. I received quite a number of redemptions and after 16000 likes, over 800 posts and God knows how many views they deleted my account. Imagine all of a sudden they discover that my very first account had less than 400 characters. Give me a break. There are these so called self appointed police that man this site and because they are experienced Admin blindly goes by their reporting. I am a victim of that.

Ruby3881 wrote on August 9, 2014, 10:40 AM

So, because the person reported a post that was genuinely in violation they are vindictive?

Well I must be terribly vindictive too, because I report multiple violations every day. And one thing I've seen with my own eyes is that one violation rarely occurs in isolation. Knowing that, if a single post looks too short I would be very likely to give the user a heads-up. I've seen lots of other folks do the same.

But if the person reported anyway, it's unlikely a single post of less than 400 characters would get you deleted. Bubblews tends to take days and even weeks to delete people who are obvious plagiarists, comment spammers, and tag abusers. I suppose maybe the staffer wanted to get things done that day, and they could have skipped over sending you an email notification explaining your violation. They could have deleted you immediately for a single short post. It doesn't fit with how they've done it before, but it's still possible.

bestwriter wrote on August 9, 2014, 11:07 AM

Being vindictive is not new. You may not be.

They sent me an email with a warning quoting this post. And this happens after I had posted 800 odd, 16000 likes, etc and they find out my first post.Admin depends on reports as they possibly cannot check each and every post. and I know who has reported. The next day they delete my account. A warning is for future mistakes. I have reasons to believe what I have said because I know being vindictive is not new.I too have reported violations but no action is taken against those. . Every site has a bunch of users who are close to the site.

But the very next day I registered again and am doing well there.

Have they deleted accounts of those you have reported?

AthenaGoodlight wrote on August 9, 2014, 11:35 AM

I, too have reported spammers and plagiarists. Surprisingly these profiles were deleted within hours after reporting. I don't know about the other violators who were reported.
I'm still waiting for my account deletion. In the meantime, I'm deleting my articles one by one and also removing the Google Plusses and Pinterests posts. It's such a tedious process.

It's ironic that the owners market the site as a social media entity yet do not wish their content to go viral.

AliCanary wrote on August 9, 2014, 3:54 PM

I know several people who have been punished, rather than rewarded, for writing very successful articles. It's like there's no concept of an honest viral surge or on ongoing popularity--only bots and scams. I have articles coming off Yahoo that have tens of thousands of page views (even almost 200,000, in one case), but I certainly can't move them there. I have a couple articles on Bubbs that have over a thousand views, but it makes me nervous!

AliCanary wrote on August 9, 2014, 3:55 PM

I'm still missing a redemption from August of 2013. Should I be more patient?

AliCanary wrote on August 9, 2014, 3:58 PM

Just delete all your articles, Athena! It doesn't matter if your bank goes negative--you don't owe that money, and they can't pursue you for it. Write a post explaining why you quit and leave that as the only thing standing.

inertia4 wrote on August 9, 2014, 10:05 PM

AthenaGoodlight I have been with Bubblews for a long time. I actually am one of the people who have gotten paid every single time from them. Look, I like it there and will remain there until something happens. But I do sympathize with you and others who have been screwed over. To this day I cannot figure out how they go about paying everyone. I understand their goal to be new and different and innovative in the internet social world. But if people keep on getting screwed over, there will be no one left but the spammers themselves. And then no one will ever get paid. Bubblews could then go bust. I love their concept for the sight and agree with what they want to do. But, this is too much. I am hearing more and more horror stories from people. I know some of those people who don't get paid are actual spammers. But it seems the number of people not getting paid are actually good honest people. This is all bad press for them. If this keeps up, it won't be long before this hits the news itself. And then Bubblews will be in trouble. I hate it when sites do things and don't tell anyone. I do appreciate the chance to earn good money there as many do. But if this happens to me, I might just go crazy. I might just be the one that blasts off on every single site I can find. But, I will hold myself until such time. I do feel for you and wish you luck here.

Ruby3881 wrote on August 11, 2014, 3:29 AM

I check back to see if they are deleting the content or users. In most cases the user is deleted, but they have occasionally seen that a user has some genuine content (and I'm assuming the user promised to delete whatever posts were in violation.) So the user remains, but any content that was plagiarized (for example) is removed.

They are behind right now, but based on previous experience, about 90% or more of those I report (and these are people with repeated violations, often of two or more different rules) will be deleted. One user was recently deleted a month after the initial report, and at least two weeks after showing up on the warned list. She corresponded with them and they gave her time to plead her case, so to speak.

She had very much the same situation with a large volume of posts, many page views/likes/comments, and apparently quite a loyal following. She didn't feel she had broken any rules, but she was violating to TOU. At first she claimed they told her she was fine, and not to worry about it. But within a week or so of that her account was removed.

A warning is not for future mistakes in every case. For example, Persona Paper sends out a sort of warning email that tells inactive users the admin is sorry to see them go. That's not a warning for the future, but a statement of the user's inactivity. In the case of PP, the email also states the user can login within 48 hours if they want to remain active. And I think that's only fair.

In the case of Bubblews, the way I understand it most of the warnings are simply a warning that the account is slated for deletion. The text of emails people have quoted in posts about this essentially says just that: the account is slated for deletion. It's not intended as some sort of three strikes thing, where you've been warned but will be left alone if you don't repeat the mistake. I have definitely known of users who were able to delete the offending post(s), if it was one or just a few, and their accounts were left intact. I can't say why that option wasn't given to you, but it sounds like it should have been.

Ruby3881 wrote on August 11, 2014, 3:37 AM

You have a good point, but I can remember in the past hearing from people who said this was the excuse given by Bubblews for one or more of their missed payments.

I believe Bubblews should pay whatever the person has earned, regardless of things like post deletions or views attributed to removed users, etc. The ads imprinted, period. They were paid for those imprints, and they promise to give users their share of those revenues. If a post is deleted a year after it's written, it doesn't harm the site. The site has been paid for past traffic to the post, and therefore shouldn't penalize a user. But Bubblews does this, and I can't think of a single other site where that would be done.

i believe it's just an easy way for them to avoid paying out, and I believe they'll use any excuse because they are in well over their head.

bestwriter wrote on August 11, 2014, 3:39 AM

After I came to know that they have just about 10 to man the show I quite understand their inconsistency. Hats off to them really that they are doing well.

Ruby3881 wrote on August 11, 2014, 3:44 AM

Agreed! Bubblews seems to have little understanding of how content promotion on social media works. Asking people to limit themselves to one Tweet per post, for example, just screams that they don't understand Twitter. You are not the only person to say they have rejected payments for what they claim is suspicious traffic. But they ought to be able to see the difference between a lot of unrelated people coming in from outside the site to read a post on a trending topic (or a lot of people over a long time frame coming to view an evergreen post) when compared to a whole pack of users from the same country all viewing and commenting on dozens of each other's posts every day.

Bubblews is losing money every day because they simply can't control the abuse. But then they punish honest users who have a single post, or a small handful of posts, that get really great traffic. Again, I think they lack understanding of what really constitutes natural vs. artificial traffic.

UmiNoor wrote on August 11, 2014, 9:27 AM

They certainly are well over their head. They need every little excuse not to pay.

madhavan_as wrote on August 26, 2014, 10:51 AM

How they can say you have very few articles and very vast traffic. fishy..

tipsheetsbyconnie wrote on August 27, 2014, 8:10 PM

I'm sorry about your situation. Have you tried deleting your articles and reposting them somewhere else? I still have 2 pending redemptions from Bubblews. I no longer bother to exert so much effort writing informative articles. I just post mundane stuff and link to my other blogs. Might as well use the exposure to get some views. The trick works for me 'cause I can see that I've been getting referrals/visits to my niche blogs from Bubblews.

brown-paw wrote on August 30, 2014, 5:21 PM

My friends, I also write in Bubblews . My stories and articles are not just "good morning, good night, world", It is true that when a bubbler gets staggering number of views and likes, it is not only Bubblews but also other bubblers get suspicious. That is why I never use my Facebook to gain more views. I just depend from my followers. I used to write funny (well-written) stories and articles, but not anymore. As mentioned by some (here) . . most of the blogs or posts are just "good morning, good afternoon", . that is why most bubblers can write 10 ramblings

oldies909 wrote on September 30, 2014, 4:39 PM

So far I have had no problems with them paying me. I got 2 50.00 checks so far.

LeaPea2417 wrote on October 5, 2014, 5:59 PM

I wrote for them and got my account deleted. I had a good following and I thought that the goal was to write less and be able to attract many views, comments and likes. I was doing that then, but they said some of my posts were too short. I started another account on August 1 and I have written around 120 posts and am only at 22 dollars. i get hardly any views, likes and comments. Once I hit 50 , if they don't pay me, I will never write for them again.

nbaquero wrote on December 10, 2014, 12:05 PM

&athenagoodligth are you not posting here at PersonaPaper anymore?

Began1988 wrote on January 4, 2015, 12:45 PM

$500?? That is outrageous! They can look at your articles themselves and see you have not violated any of their rules! That's a lot of money to leave behind! I would continuously email them, 1 a day, and demand they pay you what they owe. I'm mad about $20 that they took out of my most recent redemption, I can only imagine how infuriating it is that you're missing $500!

AliCanary wrote on January 31, 2015, 2:24 PM

I was also victimized by Bubblews. I had a little over 750 posts, but I have deleted a lot of them. It takes some time, so I'm still working on it.